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I agree, it was so nice to see this show get adopted. I felt so bad when it's parents were killed in that tragic smelting accident,t he poor little show wandered the streets of south London for months, hungry and crying... thank god it was adopted when it was.

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it's a shame Laurie Holden is such a good actress, but Andrea is such an annoying character, they just need to get her and Dale together and turn her into the bad-ass sniper she is in the books, and forget about this stupid suicidal sub plot. if she was really suicidal she'd have done it by now by hugging zombie, she's basically just being a drama queen.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

Agreed. Watching her and her sister in season one was great, and watching her grieve at he end of that season and beginning of this one were necessary. But at this point they have really just dragged the character through the mud. She seems to hate everyone who is nice to her and instead blindly follows shane either because she considers him the underdog, she can't see that he's a bit selfish/manipulative, or because she's fucking on him and she's totally dickmatized. Girl, I have been there before. You need to break the vicious cycle. No dick is so good that it should turn you into a complete cunt.

Worse yet, previews for next episode show her pulling the old "Rick is a prick, shane you should be leader" BS that she started AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON. One of you mentioned that there really hasn't been any forward progression, and I'm starting to agree with you.

Also, I call shenanigans on the build up of Shane's awful secret being led to a mediocre scene in which Rick says "oh well, I'd do that to protect my family too." Sure, that may be realistic for the characters to say/think/feel but this is a tv show and they were clearly building that up to be a "gaspohnohedidn't" moment of revelation for the characters. That Rick of all people shrugged is basically the writers shrugging at the storyline too. I mean shane threatened dale's life over it, but I guess that's supposed to be nbd to Rick at this point.

Sigh.

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I've only had one dream in my life with kids in it that didn't involve me gnawing my feet off, and it had to do with kids doing my laundry.

just for the record, the last episode I saw was episode 4 of season 2, so no major spoilers beyond that please

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

Not to be a dick, but if I were that many episodes behind I wouldn't be reading the shows's thread.

And I say that fully aware that different countries are on different schedules in terms of their airings.

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I've only had one dream in my life with kids in it that didn't involve me gnawing my feet off, and it had to do with kids doing my laundry.

if I was a whole season behind I would agree, but I didn't want to watch the season in 2 parts, so I waited until the second half started airing before watching the first half, since I can , and prefer to, watch more than one episode a week, I had to leave starting to watch them long enough so that I would not catch up and have to slow down to one episode a week,
but the fact is, i am watching them, so i want to share the discussion, and it's totally my fault for being behind, and I don't mind you talking minor character development spoilers, but i'd rather you didn't tell me if anyone important dies for example, if someone does, it's quite easy to discuss it without naming them, everyone that is up to date will know who it is, but all i will know is that someone will die, I'm ok with that level of spoilerage.

i don't really mind at all as long as you say there will be spoilers later in the post at some point so I can choose to stop reading.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

I hear you. And just to be clear I'm not blaming you for being behind, I don't think you're "wrong" for not being caught up or anything at all.

But the alternative to asking the thousands of members of a forum who may post on a thread to not post spoilers for 6 episodes is to like... Just not read it. I mean the fact that I just mentioned a handful of characters already tells you they haven't died. On a show about survival, I would consider that a spoiler in its own.

What I mean to say is I think that is asking a lot. But you know... I'll try to be mindful.

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I've only had one dream in my life with kids in it that didn't involve me gnawing my feet off, and it had to do with kids doing my laundry.

He's lying! He ain't going to be mindful at all.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

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I've only had one dream in my life with kids in it that didn't involve me gnawing my feet off, and it had to do with kids doing my laundry.

Oh you guys are in for a treat, then.

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well considering this forum does not have thousands of members, I'm really only asking like 10 people, but thanks, mindful is all i ask, and don't worry about mentioning people that haven't died yet, I'm just going to assume no one dies until i hear otherwise.
I'm not too worried about spoilers, since I have read a bunch of the comics so anything that is similar to the comics isn't really a spoiler to me, but yeah, any major deviations,, just shout "SPOILER" and I'll skim past, until i catch up.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

idk I'm addicted to responding to posts with pictures.

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I've only had one dream in my life with kids in it that didn't involve me gnawing my feet off, and it had to do with kids doing my laundry.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

i don't think you're being a dick.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

SPOILERS MUTHAFUCKA!!!


So last night's episode ended with the sudden and gruesome death of Dale. From what I read online, more than a number of people are happy to see him go. Personally I think we need characters like Dale. Yes, he's a bit sanctimonious, but you need someone who is still tethered to how life was like before. People often talk about what they would do in such a situation, but in reality, we have no idea. Dale didn't want the others to lose their heads. It might not be helpful, it might even be dangerous, but it is more believable than everyone suddenly becoming a badass. There needs to be hope, otherwise this show would just become relentlessly bleak. I understand that the original source material is rather bleak, but I'm not sure that would make for an enjoyable show.

The episode itself wasn't bad, but I think it could have been handled a bit better. If anything, this was an episode that needed to be told purely from Dale's point of view. Carl ends up taking some of the focus away, and I think that might have been a mistake. We see Dale approach some of the others and try to convince them to convince Shane and Rick not to execute Randal, eventually leading up to him pleading his case at the farm. I like that scene, the problem was everyone had more or less made up their minds. I think I would have liked the scene to make up the majority of the episode. In The Stand, a group of survivors form a little community, with an ad hoc committee making the most of its decisions. The concept of law comes up, which leads to discussion on what the community should do in the event someone makes a crime. Dose there come a point where you have to start up a police force? Do you still have the same laws and rules that you did pre-plague? The point is, I would have liked to see these characters tackle a bit more with that idea. It might have given the episode more tension. And I also like an idea put forth by someone on another forum. What if Carl took it upon himself to kill Randal? It might have brought the show into some dark territory, but I think it would have made things a bit more compelling. Although apparently Daryl was getting ready to kill Randal at the end.

One problem with the episode was its familiarity to the Ben Linus arc on Lost. I think Lost handled the idea much better, since it was developed over several episodes. Ben is caught in one of the traps left on the island. He's the first non plane crash survivor we've seen since Goodwin, which makes his introduction very exciting. Emerson plays him with a lot of ambiguity at first. He could be telling the truth about crashing onto the island in a hot air balloon. This leads to the first debate between Jack, Locke, and Sayid. Whether or not to torture him to find out the truth. When Locke and Sayid decide to go against Jack's wishes, that creates a bigger rift between Jack and Locke. Meanwhile, Ben is subtly pitting one character against the other, and that's when the mind games begin. Eventually Sayid goes to extreme measures to find out the truth. But the story doesn't end there, and eventually it all culminates in the betrayal of one character, and the murders of two others, and it sets up Ben, a major character in the series. My point is it's been done, and done better.

As for Carl, I just don't like the kid. He's too creepy. And I'm wondering, just how long is he for this world? This kid is going to hit puberty, and when the show comes back after this season, his voice will most likely have dropped. He'll probably be a foot taller. Seriously, it happens. When I was in high school I remember a guy's voice completely changing when school started back up again after the summer. Child actors go through puberty all the time, but this is a show that is set over only a few weeks.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

I'm halfway through the episode and I already think my right palm has stuck to my goddamn face.

Carl's writing here ? It's pathetic, it's the worst example I've ever seen of the "adultified kid", talking about things as if he understood them better than anyone, making smartass comebacks, for god's sake, he's not even twelve years old and he casually talks to his father about killing another person, let alone showing and supporting the goddamn execution.

*shrugs in pain*

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SPOILERS MUTHAFUCKA!!!

Carl's behavior makes sense, though. Imagine suddenly losing most of the things that would make you happy at that age. At twelve, most boys are riding their bike, or playing video games, or doing homework. Their world view doesn't really reach beyond their backyard. In a matter of hours, all of that was taken away. The closet person to a friend he had in this world became a zombie. He's seeing all this alpha male bullshit, Shane strutting around like he owns the place, his own father acting tough, Daryl going out with a cool looking bow and arrow set, who rides a motorcycle. So much testosterone to be around, it's understandable that he might try to be like them himself.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

that and he's become radically desensitized to death and what it means.

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"So what? You're just gonna kill that guy?"

*Clutches forehead*

It's bullshit t3cii, it's poor writing, typical of people in the entertainment industry that have no idea how to write kids, I'm sorry to go through this route...

...BUT IN THE COMIC...

...the transition was much better, there were foundations to Carl's transformation from innocent boy into Little Comedian, it had substance, it wasn't just seeing "Shane and Daryl being manly", and there was certainly no awkward, impossible lines coming from him even at the point we are in the comics.

A ten year old boy, that has gone through what TV Carl has, doesn't seem at all likely to understand the concept of summarily executing another person with as much as support, and as vocally as he does.

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Finally saw last week's episode. Poorly written, I've been rooting for Carl to die since season one and they chose that nobody Sophia instead. Stop teasing me with Carl's death. I hate him, I hate him so much. They seem to know what they want to do with the kid but have no idea to handle it. i agree that his progression into this creepy ten year old asshole/mini shane has been way too quick imo. A few episodes this little nigga was asking where Sophia was, now he's saying he wants to kill randal. Please.

Everyone on this show is an asshole. Now Andrea will go back to not being a cunt due to dale's death, but it's too little way too late and she'll be just as much of a cunt in my book. I don't understand how Glenn allegedly changed his opinion on the killing. We never saw his opinion in the first place or what would cause him to change it. It's just bad, lazy writing and trying to pack too much with too many characters.into one hour. On another show this would have been a two parter, easy.

I just can't, right now, as I say. Something about this episode really rubbed me the wrong way. And the death at the end seemed to have no reasoning for me in terms of the character arc. Idk.

Maggie is the only character I can stand (with Glenn close behind) and even she's shown a lot of bitchface this season.

Although let's give snaps to t dawg for actually appearing in the episode.

Ugh.

When do mad men and the killing start?

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I've only had one dream in my life with kids in it that didn't involve me gnawing my feet off, and it had to do with kids doing my laundry.