Nemesis x88 wrote:
Oh, I see.
I really feel the Comedian is one of the most complex characters in Watchmen. I'm really sad that he died in the beginning, I would of liked to see these changes he would have brought. I think deep down he actually really cares for Sally and Laurie and feels terrible about what he's done, (because of what he said to Moloch,) etc. He also said the ones on the list with Jaime, Dr.Manhattan's former girlfriend.
Now i'm wondering did he have a list of people that Dr.Manhattan supposedly gave cancer to and he was going around asking them to forgive him? Or am I mistaken by something. I really liked the Comedian and have watched this intro so many times. It just sets the tone for the whole movie. Sad, washed down, beaten.
I also didn't appreciate that when everyone learned that the Comedian had passed no one really was sad or anything. How can they not be sad when they have spent so many years with him? Even Sally didn't shed a tear. I don't know if this was in the novel or something, but I feel they could of added a little something. I think Rorschach is the only one to actually care a little bit that he's dead. How he says he chose to parody life, looked at it as a joke, knew everything that was going on and that he lived life like it should have been lived. I don't really know if i'm right at all i'm just expressing my thoughts. After watching the intro a couple of times it actually brings a tear to my eye to see the Comedian so broken down when he's on the ground and Adrian goes to pick him up and he's kind of shaky, knowing this is going to be the end but he's done his part. I felt awful for him. Especially on youtube, people are saying "Glad that prick got killed" and stuff like that. Idk, I guess because i'm 15 I have a mutual respect for the Comedian lol.
Yeah, you're pretty much right. Rorschach respected him a great deal for not compromising in the way he lived his life and fought crime, but the others (can you really blame them?) pretty much thought he was a prick. It's a testament to the writing and development of his character, though, that we can indeed feel at least a little sorry for him even after all of the terrible things he'd done.
Nemesis x88 wrote:
Also, another question I have.
When Holis Mason died in the directors cut, why didn't they capitalize on it? Daniel never even mentions it again. He could atleast have gone and beat all of the gangs asses or something.
They really captured that he was upset and distraught after Rorschach has to say his real name to get him to calm down and pull him away.
Well, they capitalized on it just as much as the book did. Hollis Mason's death pretty much illustrates the end of an era and the death of innocence. It also shows how much Dan was attached to him, so it also kind of shatters the last of Dan's innocence as well.
Nemesis x88 wrote:
And another one I have is how did Daniel become the Night owl 2? How did Holis mason and Daniel know each other?
It explains in more detail in the book, but Dan basically looked up to Hollis and asked if he could take up the mantle of Nite Owl. Hollis consented, the two became friends, and Dan used his money to bring all of his crazy gadgets to the role.
Thank you for clearing that up for me.
Now I see why Daniel freaked out insanely when Hollis was murdered. I think that scene in the movie is the maddest he ever gets other then Rorschach dying. It really interprets his character and lets it show that he cared for his partner and his former friend.
Daniels and Rorschach's friendship in this movie also makes me wonder. I don't see why everyone thinks Rorschach is a nut job? Honestly? Because he wears a mask? People shouldn't judge on just the way he looks. He's the one protecting over the city and discovering about the attack against the Watchmen. IMO People don't give him enough credit but i'm sure all us fans know about whats going on lol. He was beaten to the point as a kid where he didn't give a fuck anymore. I think the dog killing scene really lets us know what he's been through and he wants to help people but they are not helping in return but instead being selfish pricks that live off of sex and drugs.
I really can't blame them for not being sad about the Comedian, but when Rorschach told Daniel he was dead he didn't even react. He just said "Let's talk downstairs". That's one thing that really kinda made me mad about this movie and book, I guess, because of that. I don't know why, death is an important thing in life and it's something to deal with and these people are merely making fun of it almost. "He always thought he would get the last laugh", but meh. I guess since all he's done. I just have a deep place in my heart when people die. No matter who it is I feel bad. Mostly because they showed us in the end that he finally figured out that he did a lot of bad things. I guess he really wanted to clear things up with Laurie and Sally.
Can you also tell me does he say "Mother Forgive me"? Sorry if i'm asking you too many questions, and that other guy who knows alot about the Comedian to answer.