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Something to bear in mind is that Moore isn't massively keen on people buying Watchmen even in its original form.
I don't think it's for any of us (and maybe not Moore either) to throw sticks and declare who's a "true fan" or not, but Uncle Alan's take neither surprises me nor alters my own plans.

Incidentally, gotta love the accidental pun in the thread title. Maybe it'll come true.

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Didn't even think of that.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

But how exactly would not buying them support him an any way? it's not like he's going to know the names of every person that buys the comics and it will kill him a little bit for every copy sold, it's not like he's losing money by them selling, the only way I can think of it even effecting him is the fact that it's decreasing the likelihood of Watchmen ever going out of print, not that that is even slightly likely anyway, he's just being melodramatic as far as I'm concerned.

i buy his current stuff, I buy LoEG, I bought the Courtyard and Neonomicon, I am supporting his as a comic book creator, but how would I be hurting him if I were to buy Before Watchmen?

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

Look, he has his principles. He is against this whole project. He feels that if someone who is supposedly a fan of his work goes out and reads them knowing how he feels about it, then that's not the type of person he wants as a reader. I guess he feels that it would be moral support from his fans if they chose not to read or buy these prequels.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

That generally seems to be how Moore reacts to his colleagues and supporters. At the first sign that they might be doing something against his interests, he shuts them out completely. Forever.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

Indeed, still, if they all felt they were doing the right thing, they wouldn't make three-page statements *COUGH* Stracszyinsky *COUGH* on why he is the one who's wrong.

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if the prequels sell 1000 copies, do you really think Moore is going to feel significantly supported because of that 1001st person that didn't buy them? it's just going to be statistics to him, the only way to make him feel better is if none sell at all, and that's not going to happen, so i figure i might as well check them out, and if Moore doesn't want me to read his stuff too, tough, because I'll probably buy them anyway, there's nothing stopping me.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

Well shit, then what's the problem ? If he doesn't want you support, and you don't need it, then what the hell is the damn problem ?! Buy your prequels and be deliriously happy !

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there is no problem it's all in Alan's head.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

I disagree, at the very least he's partially right, there's people who read Watchmen and thought they were reading "Rorschach: Guard Of The Night", and want to read more of that, Moore is simply stating he doesn't want those people to be his fans and supporters, harsh ? Maybe, but it's a reality that not everyone likes Watchmen for the same reasons.

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To be honest Rorschach would be the last BW book I'd want to read, so....

I was perfectly happy in a world where that was no Watchmen prequels, but they are happening now whether we or Alan like it or not, I just think it's better to embrace them and make your own opinions on then than to refuse to read them on principle, because your "protest" is just going to be drowned out by countless other people, a Watchmen/Alan Moore fan that doesn't buy BW is indistinguishable from someone that has never read a comic before in the eyes of the statistics, you are much better off buying them, and writing a well informed negative review on them.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

You make a good point, though I don't know, I wouldn't rape a woman at a party only because not doing so wouldn't be noticed enough since everyone is already doing it.

I know, extreme example, but majority rule shouldn't always dictate our actions.

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a better example would be you wouldn't take drugs at a party where some people are doing drugs and some people aren't, you normally take drugs but you have a personal vendetta against this specific drug because one of your regular dealers that has never done you wrong says it's shit, even though he's never tried it himself, he just doesn't want anything to do with it, because it's based on a drug he is well known for supplying, but this stuff is new and different, and the people that sell it are also highly respected dealers, and they swear it's great, and you could try it, because in this metaphor drugs aren't addictive, so if you don't like it you never have to try it again.

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

Yeah, drug dealer metaphors just................boggle my mind.

The point to learn here is that people should be honest about their position on the prequels, if they like Watchmen, and they're excited, then they should go buy it, same for those who'd rather read them and do a negative review if it so seems to them.

It shouldn't matter to them what Moore believes or doesn't believe, and I don't think that makes him automatically wrong.

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sorry about the drug dealer metaphor, I couldn't think of anything else and you had already set up the "at a party" basis for it, so I had to follow on.

But yeah, I totally agree, people should be honest about what they feel, and Moore's opinions should have no control over them at all.

Moore isn't right or wrong, he's stating an opinion, which is true to himself, but I feel like he's doing it in a manipulative way. He wants to spit venom at DC, and making statements like this is the only way he can, in the vain hopes that they will hurt DC's fortunes..

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We're all actors, Laurie. I'm just an actor who read the script.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

^ Smutty agrees with this.

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I don't think he's being manipulative at all. The simple fact is he and Dave Gibbons created Watchmen, if they hadn't, it wouldn't exist for you to read it. It's not about money, I'm sure he's able to get by. It's the simple fact that he doesn't want something he created to be bastardized, yet DC is still going ahead with the project. We can read the prequels if we want, obviously he can't do anything to stop us, but know that he doesn't want us to.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

My beef against the prequels, and the reason why I won't read or buy them, is the reasoning behind them. Speaking from a personal level, I've never re-read WATCHMEN and wished there was more about these characters. We get their life stories. A lot is shown, some is hinted at, the rest you can just imagine for yourself. It is a self-contained work: beginning, middle, end. Like any great novel, it satisfies.

These prequels are just about making money. That is all they have ever been about. They will add nothing to the original work. I don't care how JMS would do Watchmen. I think Ass-a-hol-o is a one-trick pony and have no interest in how he would do Watchmen either.

When I read a novel I really enjoy I don't say, boy, I wish a different writer would come along and write more stories with these characters. I apply the same thinking to Watchmen. The series was meant to be finite, not an ongoing serial. It's important to remember that.

If Moore and Gibbons were doing the prequels, I'd check them out -- even though I'm sure even they wouldn't be able to reach the level of the original. The original was a perfect storm. Timing is everything and with all the years that have passed, they would bring different experiences and ability to the table. Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing -- if they were collaborating on a new project. But Watchmen is done, it's finished and it stands the test of time. Think of those reunion TV shows, they are always lame. Why? It's all the same people on both sides of the camera? It's because the people behind them are at different points of their lives than they were when they first came together to do a show.

I wouldn't want to read a writers "take" on A Tale of Two Cities or The Maltese Falcon or Watchmen. These are all complete works that have satisfied generations of readers.

And so I will not read the prequels under any circumstances. I certainly won't put one cent in the DC coffers. Let's remember that if these things are a success, we can expect one hell of a lot more of this junk. They will flood the market like the do with Batman comics now. Don't think it won't happen and the law of diminishing returns will be in effect big time.

If other folks are keen to read the things, then go for it. No one is stopping you. Just so long as everyone respects everyone else's opinion, we'll all get along.

My heart stopped...

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