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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:37 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:38 pm 
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Did before I posted it. Ajoke's an ajoke.

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it was tying it into the rape-revenge stories and making light of a verys erious sub-genre that kind of offended me.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:18 am 
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Moore isn't right or wrong, he's stating an opinion, which is true to himself, but I feel like he's doing it in a manipulative way. He wants to spit venom at DC, and making statements like this is the only way he can, in the vain hopes that they will hurt DC's fortunes..


I don't think he's being manipulative at all. The simple fact is he and Dave Gibbons created Watchmen, if they hadn't, it wouldn't exist for you to read it. It's not about money, I'm sure he's able to get by. It's the simple fact that he doesn't want something he created to be bastardized, yet DC is still going ahead with the project. We can read the prequels if we want, obviously he can't do anything to stop us, but know that he doesn't want us to.


How is that not manipulative? it's like if a parent says "I'm not angry, it's your choice, I'm just disappointed"

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AvatarIII wrote:
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Moore isn't right or wrong, he's stating an opinion, which is true to himself, but I feel like he's doing it in a manipulative way. He wants to spit venom at DC, and making statements like this is the only way he can, in the vain hopes that they will hurt DC's fortunes..


I don't think he's being manipulative at all. The simple fact is he and Dave Gibbons created Watchmen, if they hadn't, it wouldn't exist for you to read it. It's not about money, I'm sure he's able to get by. It's the simple fact that he doesn't want something he created to be bastardized, yet DC is still going ahead with the project. We can read the prequels if we want, obviously he can't do anything to stop us, but know that he doesn't want us to.


How is that not manipulative? it's like if a parent says "I'm not angry, it's your choice, I'm just disappointed"


I agree with you.

I will read them without a doubt. Is there a set release date yet? And I would really like Moore to pitch in on this. Is DC not letting him help out or.. What?

I also want to know why he's not enthusiastic about this at all. Is it because DC is doing the entire thing and Moore can't do anything of it? Or does he not want anymore prequels or anything else to go with the Watchmen. He just wants it to die? Because I don't want it to. Why can't he just create some prequels himself?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:44 pm 
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I agree with you.

I will read them without a doubt. Is there a set release date yet? And I would really like Moore to pitch in on this. Is DC not letting him help out or.. What?

I also want to know why he's not enthusiastic about this at all. Is it because DC is doing the entire thing and Moore can't do anything of it? Or does he not want anymore prequels or anything else to go with the Watchmen. He just wants it to die? Because I don't want it to. Why can't he just create some prequels himself?


It's a quite the LONG STORY.

Short, shittier, version:

DC Comics: You are awesome sauce, your beardness is amazing ! That said, we want you to write a story, any story you want, if possible, do so with these guys *points at newly acquired Carlton Comics characters*

Alan Moore: However I want it ? Complete control ? No one looking over my shoulder ?

DC Comics: YES ! Total. Complete. Control.

Alan Moore: What about my rights as creator ? I want to OWN my work.

DC Comics: *whispering* FUUUUUUU...

Alan Moore: Uuuhhh, wut ?

DC Comics: A year after the book goes out of print...............you shall get the rights to this story you will write !

Alan Moore: Hmmmmmmm, so book stops going through the presses, and it goes back to being mine ?

DC Comics: Deffinitely !

Alan Moore: Ok then ! *Signs*


Fast forward almost 30 years !


Moore still doesn't have the rights back to Watchmen.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:07 pm 
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Uh-oh...
Sequels clearly being considered already:

http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/03/17/bef ... -len-wein/

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:06 pm 
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AYBGerrardo wrote:
Uh-oh...
Sequels clearly being considered already:

http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/03/17/bef ... -len-wein/


I don't know, I'd like to believe they weren't talking about sequels.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:17 pm 
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AYBGerrardo wrote:
Uh-oh...
Sequels clearly being considered already:

http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/03/17/bef ... -len-wein/


I don't know, I'd like to believe they weren't talking about sequels.

Honestly, it sounded like they were talking about sequels to the prequels.

...Which I guess would just be more prequels.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:21 pm 
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Aye, that.
But it goes to validate what Moore has said, to an extent. Clearly there's not even the pretence of "this story should be told". Nor (what I had hope for) "Let's really try to push the medium's boundaries again". It's "there's room to tell more stories, so we're going to use it and hopefully use it some more."
I wonder if I'm willing to invest my time into something... disposable.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:46 pm 
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Aye, that.
But it goes to validate what Moore has said, to an extent. Clearly there's not even the pretence of "this story should be told". Nor (what I had hope for) "Let's really try to push the medium's boundaries again". It's "there's room to tell more stories, so we're going to use it and hopefully use it some more."

Yeah, I think I always pretty much figured that, but to have it confirmed is a little discouraging.

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I didn't really feel like reading all of that, lol. Can someone sum it up for me?

^ And wow. That's total bullshit. :( I wish Moore would do them. Does he not want to do anything more for the prequels or possible sequels?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:23 pm 
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Originally, Alan Moore & Co. were going to do a Minutemen prequel back in the 90s.


Then shit hit the fan. Now Moore wants nothing to do with DC, pretty much going so far as to have his name removed from any past works, no association with film adaptations (this really went crazy when they made V For Vendetta and claimed Moore gave them his blessing), so obviously DC taking his creations and making more shit with them would initially piss him off. To make matters worse, a few years back they offered him all the money they owed him, but only if he would do a few spin-offs.

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What do you mean by spin-offs? EDIT:Why can't he stop DC from doing this? Is he under some kind of contract? Do you think the fans will like them?

With that being said, I am actually really looking forward to these. Regardless of what anyone tells me to do, I will be reading these and hopefully enjoying them. I just hope to see that they might be "Non-Canon" because Moore didn't put his work into these. If they continue to make these, please, PLEASE, make one for Hooded Justice. I would pay like $50 a comic for him lol.

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EDIT:Why can't he stop DC from doing this? Is he under some kind of contract? Do you think the fans will like them?

He can't stop DC because he doesn't have any legal authority to. As per the initial contract, DC owns all of Watchmen. The characters, the artwork, the whole shebang. Moore, Gibbons, and Higgins have absolutely zero say as to what DC does with the story they created, until one year after Watchmen goes out of print.

These are the standard terms that comic book writers and artists agree to (or it was back then, at least), it just backfired in ways that nobody could ever have predicted.

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EDIT:Why can't he stop DC from doing this? Is he under some kind of contract? Do you think the fans will like them?

He can't stop DC because he doesn't have any legal authority to. As per the initial contract, DC owns all of Watchmen. The characters, the artwork, the whole shebang. Moore, Gibbons, and Higgins have absolutely zero say as to what DC does with the story they created, until one year after Watchmen goes out of print.

These are the standard terms that comic book writers and artists agree to (or it was back then, at least), it just backfired in ways that nobody could ever have predicted.


That sounds like shit. I feel bad for Moore. Do they let him pitch in on the story? Like do they take his suggestions or what?

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I expect that DC would be perfectly willing to listen to any suggestion Moore would give them, if he wasn't so upset over the perceived betrayal as to cut himself off from DC entirely.

Like I said, that's what Moore does.

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I expect that DC would be perfectly willing to listen to any suggestion Moore would give them, if he wasn't so upset over the perceived betrayal as to cut himself off from DC entirely.

Like I said, that's what Moore does.


Interesting. I understand what you mean now. Why doesn't he just roll with it instead of being mad about it?

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Why doesn't he just roll with it instead of being mad about it?

...Because he's just one of those people who carries grudges all the way to the grave. It's just what he does.

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Man. I and (I'm sure), a lot of others would like to have seen him pitch in on these.

Am I the only one looking forward to these?

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...Because he's just one of those people who carries grudges all the way to the grave. It's just what he does.


I know right ? I mean, it's so incredibly difficult that DC could simply give him the rights back and called him later to contribute, and even work for them on other stuff, on new and even existing titles right ?

Wait, I think not.

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