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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:35 am 
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I agree, but from Ziller's posts it seems like he has some deep rooted fears that when he's with someone... it's a competition, and a bi girl would be more competition.


It's just that sometimes it is.

That doesn't mean HE should be a damn pussy.

But many bisexual girls want to have their cake and eat it too, they want to be with a guy, and sleep with women, or viceversa.

Though that highlights another problem, if a bisexual girl doesn't state what the ground rules are in a relationship, and just sleeps around while being with another guy, then it's a communication problem.


I think some of you are making wild and generally offensive generalizations about bisexual behavior outside simply being attracted to a larger pool of people. Feliciano in particular is essentially saying they're slutty.

Incidentally, BK who has been accused of being a homophobe or something along those lines, is the only one who isn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Women
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xMaliciousMal wrote:
I think some of you are making wild and generally offensive generalizations about bisexual behavior outside simply being attracted to a larger pool of people. Feliciano in particular is essentially saying they're slutty.

Incidentally, BK who has been accused of being a homophobe or something along those lines, is the only one who isn't.


I think I spoke too broadly about those involved in these issue, after all, as Brooklyn said, everyone can sleep around.

But if you think I called bisexual women "slutty", and if you think sleeping with multiple partners IS being "slutty", then you have to read my posts again, apart from sorting some issues of your own, because I certainly do not see anything wrong with having an active, non-monogamous sex life.

As I said before, it's a communication problem which sometimes arises, people have clear expectations, and lack of proper discussion leads to greater problems.

Obviously, I can't possibly speak for even a small portion of bisexual folk, but I've seen this particular issue come up quite often with those around me, naturally, it's just not a problem with the bisexual women involved, the male partners were also responsible in making the wrong assumptions about what type of relationship they were getting into.

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feliciano182 wrote:
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I think some of you are making wild and generally offensive generalizations about bisexual behavior outside simply being attracted to a larger pool of people. Feliciano in particular is essentially saying they're slutty.

Incidentally, BK who has been accused of being a homophobe or something along those lines, is the only one who isn't.


I think I spoke too broadly about those involved in these issue, after all, as Brooklyn said, everyone can sleep around.

But if you think I called bisexual women "slutty", and if you think sleeping with multiple partners IS being "slutty", then you have to read my posts again, apart from sorting some issues of your own, because I certainly do not see anything wrong with having an active, non-monogamous sex life.

As I said before, it's a communication problem which sometimes arises, people have clear expectations, and lack of proper discussion leads to greater problems.

Obviously, I can't possibly speak for even a small portion of bisexual folk, but I've seen this particular issue come up quite often with those around me, naturally, it's just not a problem with the bisexual women involved, the male partners were also responsible in making the wrong assumptions about what type of relationship they were getting into.


I've reread your posts and you've basically implied (all/most) bisexuals are more likely to be unfaithful or enter into relationships with men while wanting to still screw women on the side.

To put it bluntly, that's ignorant.

I should add that I think issues of infidelity/a person's inclination to want to just have "fun" is based on their personality and not their sexuality. A random straight female may be inclined to find 80% of men she sees as sexually attractive, while another random bisexual female may only be inclined to find 20% of men and women combined sexually attractive. Just because there's a larger pool of specimens available, doesn't mean that you naturally want more or want to have sex more or anything else. Sexuality does not affect one's "sluttiness."

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 Post subject: Re: Women
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xMaliciousMal wrote:
I've reread your posts and you've basically implied (all/most) bisexuals are more likely to be unfaithful or enter into relationships with men while wanting to still screw women on the side.

To put it bluntly, that's ignorant.

I should add that I think issues of infidelity/a person's inclination to want to just have "fun" is based on their personality and not their sexuality. A random straight female may be inclined to find 80% of men she sees as sexually attractive, while another random bisexual female may only be inclined to find 20% of men and women combined sexually attractive. Just because there's a larger pool of specimens available, doesn't mean that you naturally want more or want to have sex more or anything else. Sexuality does not affect one's "sluttiness."


I apologize if any of my comments offended you Mal, I knew I was taking a certain risk with what I said, but I chose to say it anyways.

Still, I'd like to clarify that I never said anyone was or wasn't "slutty", that's a little strawman you decided to pin on me, I made it very clear that I don't believe there is anything wrong with sleeping with several partners, and I even clarified that this type of problem is also a responsibility of the heterosexual male, where my examples are concerned at least.

However, it is true, personality is the determining factor in this equation, sexuality bears little relevance here.

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It takes a very open minded individual to date a bi girl.
A pal of mine did once, and she had him AND a girlfriend. Who hated him incidentally.
And he tried to make her choose, but she dug her feet in.
And he left her.

So yeah. Its never bode well for anyone I've known.


Was your pal's boyfriend named Alan Moore by any chance :lol: ?

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Incidentally, BK who has been accused of being a homophobe or something along those lines, is the only one who isn't.


Yeah, Burger King is the least homophobic person in this discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: Women
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I talked with ms.sundance today.
And we're always on the topic of dancing together, or living together, and now she wants to watch "Serendipity" together...
And I have my ways of bringing up shit.
To find out what she's thinking.
And I worked it into the conversation and she ends up saying,

"I like this."

"-this-"

And I'm thinking... this would be pretty convenient if some other guy came along (like one kinda is).
I could get thrown under the bus, and insurance won't cover that shit.
It'd be easy to say "Oh shit, sorry about that. But you know... we weren't ever really together."

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NiteOwl wrote:
I talked with ms.sundance today.
And we're always on the topic of dancing together, or living together, and now she wants to watch "Serendipity" together...
And I have my ways of bringing up shit.
To find out what she's thinking.
And I worked it into the conversation and she ends up saying,

"I like this."

"-this-"

And I'm thinking... this would be pretty convenient if some other guy came along (like one kinda is).
I could get thrown under the bus, and insurance won't cover that shit.
It'd be easy to say "Oh shit, sorry about that. But you know... we weren't ever really together."


What the fuck is "this?"

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xMaliciousMal wrote:
NiteOwl wrote:
I talked with ms.sundance today.
And we're always on the topic of dancing together, or living together, and now she wants to watch "Serendipity" together...
And I have my ways of bringing up shit.
To find out what she's thinking.
And I worked it into the conversation and she ends up saying,

"I like this."

"-this-"

And I'm thinking... this would be pretty convenient if some other guy came along (like one kinda is).
I could get thrown under the bus, and insurance won't cover that shit.
It'd be easy to say "Oh shit, sorry about that. But you know... we weren't ever really together."


What the fuck is "this?"

Our semi-(ocassionally)romantic friendship.
Its still JUST a friendship.
But some scenes are taken straight from the middle act of a rom com.
Or one of those romance flicks that guys just generally find impossible to stomach.

Its awesome when you're in the scene, but then the novelty quickly fades when you realize you're still just a friend.
Keeping me in this box isn't cool. At all.

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 Post subject: Re: Women
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:42 am 
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NiteOwl wrote:
xMaliciousMal wrote:
NiteOwl wrote:
I talked with ms.sundance today.
And we're always on the topic of dancing together, or living together, and now she wants to watch "Serendipity" together...
And I have my ways of bringing up shit.
To find out what she's thinking.
And I worked it into the conversation and she ends up saying,

"I like this."

"-this-"

And I'm thinking... this would be pretty convenient if some other guy came along (like one kinda is).
I could get thrown under the bus, and insurance won't cover that shit.
It'd be easy to say "Oh shit, sorry about that. But you know... we weren't ever really together."


What the fuck is "this?"

Our semi-(ocassionally)romantic friendship.
Its still JUST a friendship.
But some scenes are taken straight from the middle act of a rom com.
Or one of those romance flicks that guys just generally find impossible to stomach.

Its awesome when you're in the scene, but then the novelty quickly fades when you realize you're still just a friend.
Keeping me in this box isn't cool. At all.


Shelly: making me glad I don't fucks with females since 2009.

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 Post subject: Re: Women
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Ain't nothing wrong with 'fucking' with em I suppose.
Its when you get attached that shit gets... complicated.

Also, I thought she was just blind to how close we actually get sometimes.

Like...

Forgive this being the only example that comes to mind at the moment,
in Kick-Ass? When the girl thinks he's gay?
Yeah. Thats the kind of moments we have. I wonder at times in those moments if we're not actually close and I'm kinda like the 'token gay friend' in her mind. You know?

Tonight was the first time she actually acknowledged it.

"We have our... intimate moments. You know?"

So she's not blind to it. Which raises a whole new set of frustrating questions I don't have the balls to flat out ask right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Women
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just plain ask her "out", being in love with your best friend is not worth it, it's just a) causing you stress and b) holding you back from actually getting a girlfriend.

if she says no at least you'll know.

I'm pretty convinced at the point that my method of acting like girls should be feared and worshiped in equal measure until one day when you've all but given up since you're almost 22 you just happen to fall into a relationship that's actually pretty damn perfect... is the best policy.

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just plain ask her "out", being in love with your best friend is not worth it, it's just a) causing you stress and b) holding you back from actually getting a girlfriend.

if she says no at least you'll know.

I'm pretty convinced at the point that my method of acting like girls should be feared and worshiped in equal measure until one day when you've all but given up since you're almost 22 you just happen to fall into a relationship that's actually pretty damn perfect... is the best policy.

I've asked her precisely if we can be more than friends.
But so much has changed since then.
Even her attitude towards me.

So I might just ask her out to someplace nice.
I hadn't even considered it to be honest.
Though... I don't have a car. And I don't have my license either.
Or a steady job.

*sigh*

I'll find a way to make this work out eventually.
Thanks for the advice.

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 Post subject: Re: Women
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just plain ask her "out", being in love with your best friend is not worth it, it's just a) causing you stress and b) holding you back from actually getting a girlfriend.

if she says no at least you'll know.

I'm pretty convinced at the point that my method of acting like girls should be feared and worshiped in equal measure until one day when you've all but given up since you're almost 22 you just happen to fall into a relationship that's actually pretty damn perfect... is the best policy.

I've asked her precisely if we can be more than friends.
But so much has changed since then.
Even her attitude towards me.

So I might just ask her out to someplace nice.
I hadn't even considered it to be honest.
Though... I don't have a car. And I don't have my license either.
Or a steady job.

*sigh*

I'll find a way to make this work out eventually.
Thanks for the advice.


maybe you should get a job, if anything just so you have something else to think about other than girl issues :D

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AvatarIII wrote:
NiteOwl wrote:
AvatarIII wrote:
just plain ask her "out", being in love with your best friend is not worth it, it's just a) causing you stress and b) holding you back from actually getting a girlfriend.

if she says no at least you'll know.

I'm pretty convinced at the point that my method of acting like girls should be feared and worshiped in equal measure until one day when you've all but given up since you're almost 22 you just happen to fall into a relationship that's actually pretty damn perfect... is the best policy.

I've asked her precisely if we can be more than friends.
But so much has changed since then.
Even her attitude towards me.

So I might just ask her out to someplace nice.
I hadn't even considered it to be honest.
Though... I don't have a car. And I don't have my license either.
Or a steady job.

*sigh*

I'll find a way to make this work out eventually.
Thanks for the advice.


maybe you should get a job, if anything just so you have something else to think about other than girl issues :D

that would totally be awesome =P
now if only one of the zillion places I've applied would accept my application. XD

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NiteOwl wrote:
AvatarIII wrote:
NiteOwl wrote:
AvatarIII wrote:
just plain ask her "out", being in love with your best friend is not worth it, it's just a) causing you stress and b) holding you back from actually getting a girlfriend.

if she says no at least you'll know.

I'm pretty convinced at the point that my method of acting like girls should be feared and worshiped in equal measure until one day when you've all but given up since you're almost 22 you just happen to fall into a relationship that's actually pretty damn perfect... is the best policy.

I've asked her precisely if we can be more than friends.
But so much has changed since then.
Even her attitude towards me.

So I might just ask her out to someplace nice.
I hadn't even considered it to be honest.
Though... I don't have a car. And I don't have my license either.
Or a steady job.

*sigh*

I'll find a way to make this work out eventually.
Thanks for the advice.


maybe you should get a job, if anything just so you have something else to think about other than girl issues :D

that would totally be awesome =P
now if only one of the zillion places I've applied would accept my application. XD


yeah that's always the problem, jobs are scarce these days, :(

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Talked to Jade about Sierra today. (I hope to god neither of them browse this forum.) She said Sierra didn't have a boyfriend as far as she knew, but said I may have to fight this one guy who's been rejected by her and has been pining after her ever since anyway.

Sounds eerily familiar, right?

It seems almost poetic in a way. I'm basically becoming what I've always feared by planning to take a Sierra away from someone who really likes her. But she clearly doesn't want to be with him and it's not even because of distance, so I'm good.

Still, I empathize with the guy to a degree.

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God help me, the first thought that popped into my head was "Scott Pilgrim."

You're sure there's only one of him, right?

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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
God help me, the first thought that popped into my head was "Scott Pilgrim."

You're sure there's only one of him, right?

I'm actually surprised I didn't think of Scott Pilgrim.

But yeah, pretty sure there's only one of him. He's not even an ex, technically. So in any case, maybe he'd be more like a mini-boss at most.

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Talked to Jade about Sierra today. (I hope to god neither of them browse this forum.) She said Sierra didn't have a boyfriend as far as she knew, but said I may have to fight this one guy who's been rejected by her and has been pining after her ever since anyway.

Sounds eerily familiar, right?

It seems almost poetic in a way. I'm basically becoming what I've always feared by planning to take a Sierra away from someone who really likes her. But she clearly doesn't want to be with him and it's not even because of distance, so I'm good.

Still, I empathize with the guy to a degree.


I can understand your empathy.

But IF the guy starts getting annoying, IF he ever approaches you and tells you to back off and stop hitting on Sierra.

Then you sure as shit better be ready to flip him the finger and tell him to fuck off.

Sierra's the only consideration here yo ! Let nothing stop you !

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