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We can use your proposal for the Batman reboot. You write it and I'll direct it.

And yes, that was Bane's reasoning, I think.

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The Dark Knight Rises really seems to be a love it or hate type of movie. Seeing it with some friends, one of them loved the movie, while the other two were like me, and were in the "meh" camp. Another friend of mine saw it on opening weekend and thought it was awesome.

I'm only now starting to read opinions and reviews, but one thing I'm starting to notice some confusion regarding the ending. Some believe it's supposed to be ambiguous, but I thought it was pretty clear. Bruce is still alive at the end of the movie, he just made the world think Batman had died saving the day. He leaves hints to those he cares about behind so that they know he's still alive. When Alfred is sitting down at the café in Florence he sees Bruce and Selina. Bruce knows he would be there because Alfred goes to the same café, every year.

As for Blake, a lot of people seem to assume he will be the next Batman, but I thought in this case, it was a bit more ambiguous. He has some of Batman's equipment, and he has the Bat Cave, but I think he'll come up with his own identity.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

I don't know man, the idea that an entire prison full of unbelievably dangerous criminals, left to rot and suffer endlessly at the thought of freedom, and the only one that manages to escape is a young girl, taps into something so incredible about life, the idea that no matter how big, strong or smart you are, if you fear, you live, is simply fantastic to me.



But what if, in a single episode, a character travels a distance that takes months and arrive five minutes before the end of the episode ? It's exactly the same as a movie, we do not criticize this because we acknowledge time is being compressed, and it's the same thing happening here with The Dark Knight Rises.



I think the problem here is that Nolan and crew didn't hold the tension after the stadium scene, if we had seen Bane's cronies gathering people in the street, pulling them by the hairs, piling them against a wall and shooting them dead, then maybe it would've felt like Gotham turned into hell, instead, we see the guy from "Rescue Me" planning coupe against Bane with Gordon, and everything at that moment seems so tame and quiet that you don't get the idea that the city is truly under siege of a maniac.



I think Nolan made it pretty clear that Batman was not ready to come back, his pressumption that he could defeat Bane on the grounds of not being afraid was gravely mistaken, this is why Bane precisely tells him that his punishment must be more severe, because he admonishes death as insignifcant, and thus, he cannot gain strength from the biggest source of power, the greatest motivator of life, death.



It's flying past you t3cii, we live in an era where part of the enjoyment of a movie now comprises the expectation period, we've created the habit of judging a movie before we've seen it, and while this is a reality for film fans, it is still not one for the developers, and thus, nothing can be kept a secret. Like it or not, The Dark Knight Rises was affected by this process.





Now you just suck

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Jesus, mixing Private Joker up. Dafuq Feli...

This is all well and good, but they presented her story as if it was Bane's. And we could believe it since Bane had presented himself as being this physically impressive man who had the will power to bring Ra's al Ghul's plan into action. But later, Bane reveals that, nope, it wasn't him, it was Talia. He was just some guy. So he is immediately brought down a peg. And then disposed of not by the man he was trying to defeat, but by someone else. And he goes out like a sucker. And to add further insult to injury, there's no shot of him dead. He's just casually disposed of.



Seeing as how most shows are set during the course of several months, that wouldn't be unusual. But it's not like I have a problem with the concept. It's that I have a problem with that being done in the last hour or so of the movie. How many movies, when the villain is getting ready to carry through with his big, evil plot, have that evil plot take place over the course of several months? I can't think of any. The only reason to have that happen is so that it can coincide with Bruce's recovery. In my opinion, they could have easily had Bruce's back broken, but simply kept him in Gotham City for the remainder of the movie. So while he's broken, with Bane's plan underway, and Gotham being taken over, Bruce is still watching from the sidelines. At some point he would be rescued, and then he'd form a plan to take the city back. And as far as his recuperation is concerned, it could be handled with a scene earlier on in the movie, and a bit of dialog from Fox: "Remember that exoskeleton we talked about back in ACT I? Well I've worked out the kinks, and it's ready for ACT III." It would streamline the whole last half of the movie, and would have given it that immediacy that I think was missing.



Exactly. And had we not had to skip past those several months, we might have been able to see that.



But this isn't new, and what difference does it make anyway? The only thing I can see being effected by it is the Talia angle.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

You may have your issues with red herrings, you may have problems with plot-twists, but that doesn't mean they are inherently bad or that this movie wasn't "thought out", WE assumed we were seeing Bane's backstory when in reality it was Talia's, how in Allah's name that is wrong is a matter of personal taste, nothing more.

Also, I can hardly believe that a guy that beats the crap out of Batman is just "some guy", you're simplifying his character when in reality he got another emotional layer with Talia's reveal, he wasn't just some maniac, he had a stake in Talia's plan in both mind and spirit, he believed The League Of Shadows was right to destroy Gotham, and yet he also followed Talia's lead because he loved her.

As for him going out like a sucker, you're bitching bro, what did you want ? Bane burning to death while screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" ?



I get what you're saying, but "The Hole" was necessary, it couldn't be done in Gotham because the prison where Bruce is had "historical value" to those who were locked there, it was a place that needed to be part of Ra's Al Ghul's world of mercenaries and warlords for Bane and Talia to have solid ground on which they could stand, if you take that away, then you might as well take both Bane and Talia out of the picture.



Again, bitching about time compression, which is not the problem.

Think of the tension t3cii, think of the tension.



I present to you Justin Johnson, reader of comics and fan of Batman:

Justin: "WHAT ?!! THAT'S BANE !? He doesn't look anything like the comics !"

*Justin goes into theater*

Justin: "Ugh ! He looks NOTHING like the Bane I love !"

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See what I mean ?

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Yes, it has 8.9 on imdb and pretty high grades everywhere else. But yes, it's true. It's very divisive. I think TDK and Inception really heightened expectations for this movie. Although a lot of expectations were caused by the um...film itself. Although I think the varied response comes from the fact that the Batman fandom is so varied: you've got novices, you've got hardcore Batman fans, you've got film buffs, you've got Nolan fans, you've got very casual fans, etc. Yet you can't pinpoint one reaction to one exact group. What's funny is that the reaction was pretty much how I predicted it would be.

And yeah, I think that people just regard Bruce as dead because Nolan is so well known for his mind games in movies. Or because it seems too ideal, I don't know. I think the more Nolan thing to do would have been to have Alfred in the cafe and suddenly have him look at the camera and smile and nod, with the audience never knowing what he's seeing. But I think we needed that sense of closure so I'm glad the movie never went for that.

As for Blake, one of the interpretations I have is that the title matches a knight being asked to rise after he has been knighted. In this case, that man could indeed be Blake. But Bruce has done the same. I am not so sure if he will become Batman or do his own thing, but overall, the point is that he has the choice to become so. Bruce has moved on. Gotham was saved and its people redeemed and changed. It will now be a better city. But also, there is also the promise of Batman watching over them.

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Wow, that would have been lame and I hope I don't have to say why.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

I specifically decided to talk about my biggest issues with the movie. There were others I didn't mention.



But his (Talia's) back story was cooler. And totally worked for him. And I don't need a villain who has some tragic back story. I really didn't need them to humanize Bane. In some cases, a back story isn't even needed at all. Like the Joker. Or Anton Chigurh. Or Daniel Plaiview.



I wanted the villain of the movie taken out by the hero of the movie. As corny and obvious as it is, Bane's mask being broken and him in pain gave Batman the victory, before Talia betrayed him. Have Batman actually either psychically beat him, or outsmart him if that's not possible. Either way, it should be by his hands.



Interesting, but a bit of a stretch.



This is another thing. Gotham went through 9/11 times a hundred. Gothamites were kept prisoner for five months. Lives were taken, bridges were destroyed, buildings destroyed, just massive amounts of destruction, not to mention the psychological effects of the take over, as well as the economic devastation that would have come as a result. After all of that, it would take years for Gotham to become a better city, maybe even decades. I'm not sure the movie gave us the sense that Gotham was about to be repaired.



You're right "Just stand up like this for awhile" is much better.

Look, it doesn't even need to be an exoskeleton, my point is the story already addressed the idea of using a mechanical brace as a way of Bruce being able to walk without a cane. They could have taken that idea a step further. Something along the lines of this:

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

The exo-skeleton things would have been lame because it wouldn't have allowed Bruce to make his long and arduous recovery in the pit, which is one of the best parts of the movie, in my opinion. His recovery isn't just about fixing his back, but by fixing his spirit as well by embracing his fears and rising from the darkness.

Also, the title alluding to Blake isn't much of a stretch at all. I'm sure at this point that it has multiple meanings, as do a lot of good titles.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

I see your point, but I'm not sure he necessarily has to go through a long and arduous recovery. He had more than proven himself over the course of the first two movies. Bruce has his back broken, as well as his spirits, but that doesn't mean having an exoskeleton would take away from anything. There is physical darkness, and there is emotional darkness. He still has to deal with the fact his back is broken and he is unable to do anything about it. But here would be a chance for him to use his intelligence and resources to get himself out of that situation.

Of course, if it were up to me I might not have had Bruce's back broken at all.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

I think we've entered "personal taste territory" here, it's clear some things you'll just never like about the movie because they didn't appeal to you, even though, frankly, they were pretty damn brilliant, just open your mind a little dude.

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You make it sound like I'm the only one criticizing Bane's death or the change to his back story. Even people who liked the movie didn't like his death.



Not wanting Bane go out like a punk has nothing to do with taste.

Honestly, I am genuinely baffled that anyone could think this was a good movie, let alone a good Batman movie.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

Now you're just talking crazy.

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"The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part.

"There's a cello in your house now."

I'm not making you sound like anything except someone who holds an opinion about a movie.

A very close-minded, rigid one, but an opinion nonetheless !



That's exactly what it has to do with t3cii, you can't objectively say the death was bad.

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a (still in progress) list of references in the movie from comics over the years, there's more than I realised, and some quite obscure ones, even the image of Gordon in a hospital bed is directly taken from the comics!

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What? Of course I can. I can't understand movies that features a hero and an antagonist and then not have the hero kill or subdue the antagonist. While Loki in The Avengers was dealt with in a comedic way, it was a big moment, and got a huge reaction from the audience I saw it with. When Bane is shot by Catwoman, there was no response from the audience. It was not a triumphant moment, despite the fact Bane was the primary villain for those 2.5 hours.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

No, you can't t3cii

You didn't like it ? That's perfectly fine, but no story-teller has to conform (sp) to any idea about how a story "should work", if the hero doesn't end up killing or subduing the villain, then that IS a personal issue of yours.

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No, no, we're talking about basic story telling here.

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"Heard them Walthers like to jump some" "As will you, with one in your elbow."

Actually, I really disagree with that. While I don't necessarily agree with T3cii that The Dark Knight Rises is an objectively bad film, he's correct about Bane's death--it's anticlimactic as hell. When the film builds up Bane to be this tremendous force, to have him reduced to Talia's pet and be quickly shot down by Catwoman by all people is kind of insulting.