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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:07 am 
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the bottom line is that batman in basically a hard boiled dectective turned vigilante... and could be beaten by many characters, but be is always given special circumstances and advantages to come out on top.


You don't get it. Batman is not "given special circumstances and advantages to come out on top." You keep looking at it from a one-sided perspective, the supes perspective. Aren't superpowers also "special circumstances and advantages"? If you think not, then maybe you think they are essential to the characters. If you think they are essential, then tell me why Batman's preparations, gizmos, excellent intellect, martial arts, and balls can't be considered essential to his character?

And as far as I'm concerned:

Batman's preparations, gizmos, excellent intellect, martial arts, and balls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iron Man's tin suit.

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iancontinence wrote:

the bottom line is that batman in basically a hard boiled dectective turned vigilante... and could be beaten by many characters, but be is always given special circumstances and advantages to come out on top.


You don't get it. Batman is not "given special circumstances and advantages to come out on top." You keep looking at it from a one-sided perspective, the supes perspective. Aren't superpowers also "special circumstances and advantages"? If you think not, then maybe you think they are essential to the characters. If you think they are essential, then tell me why Batman's preparations, gizmos, excellent intellect, martial arts, and balls can't be considered essential to his character?

And as far as I'm concerned:

Batman's preparations, gizmos, excellent intellect, martial arts, and balls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iron Man's tin suit.


haha... i'm one sided? (iron man apparently doesn't prepare, have gizmos ect... although he is possibly the smartest man in the world.) jeez you need to let this go! i started this discussion as a joke! just to wind up the batman fanboys like yourself...

if you think batman can punch iron man's suit without breaking his hand (and iron man can punch batman's face without breaking his jaw), and batman can defend himself against the energy blasts, then i'll say you win. because that's what you want.

this turned out better than i could have expected :P

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i personally think dc relies on their big three too much... they don't venture out enough. certain people would also be as crazy to say that several of their other characters were aquired rather than created.


No, i desperately want some DC movies based on Green Lanter, Shazam!, and Martian Manhunter I know what your saying, in the past Marvel has done more, but you made the point that Marvel has more, I have to say that DC has a League of Justice Bringers (if you will) that they could unleash on the main stream movie goers, but sadly they don't... :cry:

Now in the Iron Man vs. Batman debate... :D
And in "JLA: Tower of Babel" Batman is shown having the capabilities to take down the entire Justice League! Including, Superman, Wonder Woman, J'onn J'onnzz, and Green Lantern some powerful characters, he made a bullet that the Flash couldn't out vibrate, he made Kryptonite that wouldn't kill Superman, but seriously wound him, he found a way to make Aquaman fear WATER! and you are honestly telling me that he couldn't find some way to take down a guy in a metal suit? 8-)

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iancontinence wrote:
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the bottom line is that batman in basically a hard boiled dectective turned vigilante... and could be beaten by many characters, but be is always given special circumstances and advantages to come out on top.


You don't get it. Batman is not "given special circumstances and advantages to come out on top." You keep looking at it from a one-sided perspective, the supes perspective. Aren't superpowers also "special circumstances and advantages"? If you think not, then maybe you think they are essential to the characters. If you think they are essential, then tell me why Batman's preparations, gizmos, excellent intellect, martial arts, and balls can't be considered essential to his character?

And as far as I'm concerned:

Batman's preparations, gizmos, excellent intellect, martial arts, and balls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iron Man's tin suit.


haha... i'm one sided? (iron man apparently doesn't prepare, have gizmos ect... although he is possibly the smartest man in the world.) jeez you need to let this go! i started this discussion as a joke! just to wind up the batman fanboys like yourself...

if you think batman can punch iron man's suit without breaking his hand (and iron man can punch batman's face without breaking his jaw), and batman can defend himself against the energy blasts, then i'll say you win. because that's what you want.

this turned out better than i could have expected :P


Yes, you're one-sided. You keep disregarding the fact that preparation and intellect is part of Batman and he won't just punch Iron Man's suit without any planning beforehand. The fact is Superman is stronger than Iron Man, and Batman can defeat Superman, which means Batman is stronger than Iron Man. That's where it all started, and that's where I'm ending this discussion.

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Yes, you're one-sided. You keep disregarding the fact that preparation and intellect is part of Batman and he won't just punch Iron Man's suit without any planning beforehand. The fact is Superman is stronger than Iron Man, and Batman can defeat Superman, which means Batman is stronger than Iron Man. That's where it all started, and that's where I'm ending this discussion.


As big of a batman fan as I am, I think that Batman's planning makes up for his lack of powers, it's not like he's could just bump into Iron man and kick the crap out of him, he needs the planning time, so I wouldn't say Batman is Stronger than Iron Man, but I will say Batman would be at Iron man in a fight

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iancontinence wrote:
it seems bobby jr is now quite the marvel zombie

http://www.moviehole.net/200814729-interview-robert-downey-jr-2

i wasn't sure whether to put this in comics or movies, but it seems more suited here.

he has some very interesting thoughts on the dark knight too...


Booze sampler...

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I'm a huge Ironman fan because it's an "ordinary" person in that suit - which could be you or I. The reason I like Batman is because he's an "ordinary" person who trained in martial arts - just like you or I could.

Both are smart. Both have money. Take those 2 things and bam! You've got a super-something right? But what i've learned over the years in MMA, is that a weapon is just an extension of your body (philipino kali). So Ironman is just an extension (was) of Tony's body. Without it, Tony was helpless. Batman's suit and gadgets are an extension of HIS body. But he is still very able without them.

Now Tony Stark has his suit as part of himself, which is a little different and gives him an advantage. But Batman is always Batman, with or without the suit. A while back they had a show that talked about MMA and they pitted the different styles against eachother. It turns out - to no one's surprise, that 'western boxing' has the punch that delivers the most power (impact pressure). But the style of ninjitsu, a samurai who has been trained for stealth, had the ability to equally distribute their body and gear weight on 1 foot so evenly that it was almost impossible to think it was possible!

IM always has issues with his power cell or suit, that's how you control him. Batman is only human, that's how you control him. But, like I said, being a fan of both, i'd have to be inclined to say Batman wins. Out of suits, no quetsions batman over ironman. In suits, Ironman could win, but unlikely because he has no real combat experience.

I'd also like to point out that if you guys remember Batman Vs Spawn and Spawn vs Batman (DC and the Image version) they have different endings.

Go Batman! (He always get's the REAL fine women!)

*I even had to change my avatar hahaha I use batman in other forums :P~

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moonwalkerwiz wrote:

The fact is Superman is stronger than Iron Man, and Batman can defeat Superman, which means Batman is stronger than Iron Man. That's where it all started, and that's where I'm ending this discussion.


hang on, i already left... but you just said batman is stronger than iron man, because he can beat superman... and yet you have spent several posts saying it is batman's intelligence, resourcefulness and skill (ect) that causes him to beat superman, not his brute strength... so how does that make him stronger than iron man?

you seem really commited to this, so i just want to know...

i honestly wanted to play devil's advocate here.

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batman would die if he ever fought against iron man. die, and be disintergrated.

anyway, bruce and tony would probably be friends but for the fact mr wayne was sadly born without a sense of humour in the recent movies - that, and his major speech impediment when he covers parts of his head.


that's all i wanted to say... as we can see here, in this thread, batman is so popular, he can't lose. the writers and fans won't let him. yet, in reality, he'd be long dead by now. i rest my case.

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Wait, I remember reading a comic where Tony and Wayne meets each other. I think it was Marvel Vs DC #3 or something.

In that comic, they showed that, although they disagree on some levels, they are pretty much the same guy. Or at least, that was what I understood.

Maybe Im confused with Lex Luthor: Man of steel.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:06 am 
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Wait, I remember reading a comic where Tony and Wayne meets each other. I think it was Marvel Vs DC #3 or something.

In that comic, they showed that, although they disagree on some levels, they are pretty much the same guy. Or at least, that was what I understood.

Maybe Im confused with Lex Luthor: Man of steel.


that's what i was saying before... tony has a bit more of a sense of humour, but at the end of the day they'd get along. just don't let them go drinking... or to a movie theatre...

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iancontinence wrote:
moonwalkerwiz wrote:

The fact is Superman is stronger than Iron Man, and Batman can defeat Superman, which means Batman is stronger than Iron Man. That's where it all started, and that's where I'm ending this discussion.


hang on, i already left... but you just said batman is stronger than iron man, because he can beat superman... and yet you have spent several posts saying it is batman's intelligence, resourcefulness and skill (ect) that causes him to beat superman, not his brute strength... so how does that make him stronger than iron man?

you seem really commited to this, so i just want to know...

i honestly wanted to play devil's advocate here.

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batman would die if he ever fought against iron man. die, and be disintergrated.

anyway, bruce and tony would probably be friends but for the fact mr wayne was sadly born without a sense of humour in the recent movies - that, and his major speech impediment when he covers parts of his head.


that's all i wanted to say... as we can see here, in this thread, batman is so popular, he can't lose. the writers and fans won't let him. yet, in reality, he'd be long dead by now. i rest my case.


I'm not thinking of strength as "brute strength." I'm thinking the overall strength of a person, including all his resources. That's why I said Batman can beat Superman, and Superman is stronger than Iron Man, so Batman is stronger than Iron Man.

That's why I'm saying Batman won't punch Iron Man's tin suit without some planning beforehand. He also won't let himself get blasted by rockets. Because that's how you pit characters against each other, with all their resources, and whatever constitutes their "powers." You can't pit Batman against Iron Man and assume he'll fight without his gizmos and plans. You always have to factor those in, so that the character becomes "Batman." And if you factor everything that makes Batman Batman, then you'll always end up with Iron Man losing.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:02 am 
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I guess we'll just have to wait for the JLA vs. The Avengers movie :D

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lol thread title makes me laugh. RDJ is a funny dude.


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For all you guys having the Batman vs. Iron Man debate...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlLeCu63HCA

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Ouch, that comment from Bob Downey, Jr. is mean. I'm hoping he just had to keep Marvel on his good side because if he really didn't get TDK and writes off DC because of it, then he's no longer my favorite actor.

I thought both Ironman and TDK were some of the best films based on comics of recent years. Too often we see Hollywood ruin comics. Everyone should've been happy.

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Ouch, that comment from Bob Downey, Jr. is mean. I'm hoping he just had to keep Marvel on his good side because if he really didn't get TDK and writes off DC because of it, then he's no longer my favorite actor.
That brings me to an interesting thought: I wonder if RDJ will ever land a part in a DC comic movie because of those statements. Hell, I wonder if WB would hire someone who so publicly bad-mouthed their highest-grossing movie of all time.

It's possible, yet unlikely, that RDJ just alienated himself from one of the largest studios in Hollywood to keep friendly with the fledgling Marvel Studios. If that's true, then he just made... well, it wasn't the worst mistake of his career, but it sure was a big mistake.

Or maybe I'm just overthinking this and panicking too much.

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It's possible, yet unlikely, that RDJ just alienated himself from one of the largest studios in Hollywood to keep friendly with the fledgling Marvel Studios. If that's true, then he just made... well, it wasn't the worst mistake of his career, but it sure was a big mistake


Or perhaps not, maybe he's assureing himself work with Marvel Studios for quite awhile and if he stars in a few moe succesful Iron Man movies and maybe a few Avengers then he might not be in deep trouble, and I highly doubt that WB will hold this against him if they really want him for a part, they'll go and get him, I just doubt DC will want him after he was tainted by Iron Man

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I highly doubt that WB will hold this against him if they really want him for a part, they'll go and get him, I just doubt DC will want him after he was tainted by Iron Man
Fair enough. Anyway, now that I think about it, I'm sure DC is crying all the way to the bank.

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Back to Batman v Superman...
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I lol'd so hard.

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