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I don't begrudge you your opinion. I would hope you would stick to your guns and never have an abortion. That's your right.

I'm getting tempted to jump in on this again just because I'm an argumentative person.

We know a fetus is alive, that it's a human by definition, but does that really make it a person? Are the rights of an unconscious developing human life just as important as the rights of a conscious person who can make decisions and experience suffering? If so, what do we do when the pregnancy threatens the life or health of the mother? If a fetus is a full person with all the rights and privileges thereof, we cannot abort a fetus even if the mother's life is threatened.

If a fetus isn't a full person and it is okay to kill it if it threatens the mother's life, why can't the mother choose to terminate its life for other reasons, for example it being the product of rape or incest, or if it's seriously deformed or sick, or if she lives with an abusive husband and doesn't want to bring a child into that household and knows her husband will not allow it to be given for adoption?

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One thing I'd like to add about this "conception is start of life" thing is that the first weeks there is nothing other than DNA which indicates that the cells are even human, it has no memory or emotions. You can't call it a person in any way. Sure if you look at a fetus which is around 3-4 months old, it's definitely alive. However calling a microscopic lump of cells a human being with full set of rights is just wrong if you ask me.

i am an adopted child, so obviously my biological mother decided to take me full term rather than have an abotion. i know very little about her, but i do know this must take a very special person to do this.

for this reason, and many others, i am pro-choice... not everyone can take on the responsibility of a child - and it is in fact cruel to bring a being into the world who will not be loved and cared for with all the attention that a normal mother will.

a lot of issues can come with the ground of adoption - abandonment, yerning for real family, and sheer wondering of what shoud/could have been.

adoption is an easy way out... but sometimes we all need an easy way out.

i know this may seem weird me being pro-choice, as i wouldn't be here now typing this if i had been aborted - and i easily could have been - but i think sometimes it's for the best.

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Well, the other nice thing about pro-choice is that it's not anti-adoption--it just means the mother has a choice. She can still choose adoption (and many women do).

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--Bob Mackey

Well, the other nice thing about pro-choice is that it's not anti-adoption--it just means the mother has a choice. She can still choose adoption (and many women do).[/quote]

that's an extremely good point, everyone has thier own opinion, but it's only the pro-life supporters who try and force their opinion onto others,

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i edited my last sentence!!! i DEFINATELY meant to type "pro-choice"

(freudian slip?)

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Man, abortion is always going to be one of those weird issues....

I'm female and although to an extent I think women should be able to choose....abortion does really bother me. At least as a female myself I know that if I get pregnant no one is going to be able to force me to abort my kid. I feel sorry for guys who want to be a father and the woman decides to abort it. At least I don't have to worry about that. Personally I'd never abort a kid unless the pregnancy is a bad pregnancy.

And although it's good that technology for abortion exists, I feel that a lot of people do it for the wrong reasons. I mean if you can't raise the kid, why not put it up for adoption? It seems so vain to kill the child just so you won't have to have your body go through giving birth. It's just one of the consequences to having sex.

I'm still a virgin even though I'm almost 25 now. It's out of choice and sometimes I think some other females should use a bit of self-control also. There are other ways to deal with the urges that we all naturally have. I mean, at least they should use other forms of birth control....I can't stand the people who use abortion as the birth control without trying to prevent it through other means before hand. I mean, I don't really try to judge people much, but it just seems bad.

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Let's take a step back and think of all the circumstances under which a child could be conceived.

A child can be born in wedlock or out of wedlock.

The parents can be two people happily married, unhappily married, in a long-term relationship or maybe they just hooked up in a one-night stand (which could have been either sober or drunk). Then there's incest, rape, incestuous rape and statutory rape.

The parents could be high-class, unable to support themselves or anything in between.

The mother could be healthy, or she could be diabetic or otherwise unable to deliver a child safely. The child could be healthy, or could have some defect that only gives the child a short amount of time -- if any -- to live after the delivery.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that conception is extremely complicated. Abortion, as its polar opposite, must therefore be considered just as complicated. This isn't an issue that can be solved in black-and-white terms to any satisfaction. To that end, I oppose a blanket ban on abortions, though I don't believe that they should be freely available or easily given, either.

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

One thing that bothers me is the "trend", if you will, of teenage girls using abortion as birth control. I am the child of a teenage mother, who had me at age 15. She had the choice to have an abortion and obviously did not. I personally do not consider the whole abortion arguement a matter of religious belief, but of morals. I'm not saying that those who are "pro-choice" to be immoral and the 'pro-life' side moral. Morals differ from person to person, do they not? Medical evidence has shown that the fetus, despite the fact that it does not look "human" is still alive and is human, apperances aside.

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Almost as bothersome are the idiots who consider birth control to be abortion.

Seriously, there are uber-ignorant nutjobs out there who consider condom use to be pre-emptive murder. Now, the issue of whether or not a fetus counts as a human is debatable. However, I think that any rational person can see that you can't murder a fetus that doesn't exist.

Regardless of where we stand on the abortion issue, can we all agree that condom use, contraception and non-reproductive methods of sex are things to be encouraged?

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This is truly a madhouse. And I'm the lunatic running it. I've spent three years wondering if I should be proud or ashamed.

Good Lord, yes! Either that or somehow prohibitiing stupid people from reproducing (I swear they're all humanoid rabbits...)

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Pretty much, I would have to say I am a "Pro-choice" person but there's problems within that debate, specifically the labeling of the 2 sides. Some see, if one is deemed "Pro-choice" not "Pro-life", trying to raise the idea that they are against the raising of children and as such. Of course everyone is "Pro-life" but it seems they had to create an odd black and white battleground for the issue.

Ultimately, It's in the best interest that each women is left with the option of going with an abortion or not. Some end up in scenarios where it's just not feasible financially and socially to raise a child. It's tough to kill a fetus certainly, but we can say (at a certain point) it's not considered a human yet.

The other aspect is that ultimately, life is tough and sometimes life leads you to make tough decisions like this one. The whole "Sanctity of Life" issue is pretty much rendered moot when you live in a world where people are getting killed through wars, diseases, accidents, natural disasters and so forth. This is just another rough aspect that some will have to make the choice to go with, deciding to give birth or to end the fetus. Again, it's ultimately up to the women's choice.

To close out, if abortion is banned, A black market for it wouldn't be surprising in the least. Some will have the money or be that desperate and willing to go to such length for something like this. In Reality, it's best to push out more ways of birth control and pushing out information to people, letting them know what birth control steps can be done and taken, making sure abortion is the absolute last resort for some.

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Yeah I know it's a really complicated issue.

I just hope that people who get abortions think it out long and hard before they decide to do it and I just hope that they have a good reason for doing it because I do still feel like a lot of people do it for the wrong reasons.



Yeah....that's the part I hate about abortion.....people doing it for the wrong reasons like just using it as a form of birth control without thinking that there can be consequences to having sex.

I mean and is it really that hard not to have sex if you're not ready to raise a child yet? I've had chances where I could have had sex but I decided not to. I'm almost 25 now and still a virgin and it's not because I can't get any. I actually have a boyfriend and he's a virgin too. We've been a couple since 2007 and known each other since 2002. We have never had sex and he does not try to force me to sleep with him, like some guys probably would. I mean my boyfriend's mother was a teen mom and actually she had Rubella when she was pregnant with him which can have serious effects on the baby. She was recommended to abort him but didn't and he actually turned out fine and healthy. His parents never did get married.....and actually he has no love for one of his parents(there's a good reason for it). He's kind of like one of those people who saw the mistakes of his parents and decided never to repeat it....and he's one of the most moral people I've ever met. He even made himself a social outcast in his class because he didn't agree with some stuff they did. But anyway, I'm really glad he wasn't aborted or obviously he wouldn't be my boyfriend right now. His life was so different from mine though since for me I was the first child of my mom and dad who had already been married for 13 years before they had me even though I'm their first kid. My dad was already in his 40's when he had me in 1984 and I have one younger sister, born in 1987. My mom was in her mid-late 30's.

Now I know that not having sex probably seems unrealistic to a lot of people in relationships and yes it is kind of hard....but there are other ways to deal with those urges that most of us all have at some point. And certainly I at least think that if they really feel they need to have intercourse, that they use other forms of birth control and not just totally rely on abortion.

I know that some people have more self-control than others and I can understand why it's hard. I mean I get the urges too just like everyone else. XD

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Epic Bump

I've just left my Human Biology class, after an exposition from some classmates in which they showed what was probably the most offensive anti-abortion video I've seen in my life.

I can't find that video, that was something some of my classmates brought in one of their USB's, but it was basically a voice-over of a "baby" among a slide-show presenting images of a preocuppied mother that wanted to have an abortion, "the voice of the baby" cried and cried when he was in the process of being aborted, talking, and expressing himself, as if he was a fully-developed and well spoken adult, the final images of the video show several pictures of dismembered fetuses.

It was quite an offensive experience, I wanted to object and speak-up to the showing of such a video, but I didn't want to start a volatile argument in my classroom, and my classmates had already gone over the time limit for their exposition.

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In retrospect, I think I should've spoken my mind.

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was it this?

http://www.interviewwithunborn.com

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I can't check it right now, but I don't think it was that one, the video I saw looked like a hack-job in Windows Movie Maker.

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Oh, okay, because the one I linked to I thought was powerful, but I know we have differing view points

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That site isn't very effective because I look at the babies and just want to abort them.

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