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DoomsdayClock
 Post subject: Wired Article
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:33 am 
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Did this guy fall out of bed today and decide to just write an article in 2 minutes? Was he hungover from last night and needed to make a quick deadline? I was going to post this as news on the main site until I read it. Have fun counting all of the obvious mistakes about Watchmen. See if you can list them alll...

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2007/09/the-impossibles.html

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 Post subject: Re: Wired Article
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:47 am 
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Justice League--big, iconic, superhero team book slated as a Warner Brothers tentpole for 2009
2010?
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impossible-to-make-into-a-movie iconic 1980s superhero comic book,
No-one has ever said it's impossible. Blithering idiot.
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is stalled
Says who? :roll:
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director Zak Penn's creative team
lol, Nice one.
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A story spanning five decades
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culminates in [spoiler alert] the destruction of New York City
Well, not all of NYC. :) Close.

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 Post subject: Re: Wired Article
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:55 am 
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You got six. I see two more...

What casting problems? And the fact they he said its supposed to start shooting in September, but "who knows?" They started last week. My JFK story was picked up by, like, 100 sites all over the world. Not hard to uncover.

Do they have any proofreaders or fact checkers at wired.com or do their writers just post whatever bullshit they feel like?

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 Post subject: Re: Wired Article
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:29 pm 
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For the sake of equal time, I will post an email from the Wired artcle author in my response to his article's reporting errors. Feel free to support him if you think I was way off base.

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Adam, Do you do any research before you write an article? There are so many errors in this article I don't know where to begin. First, Zack Snyder directed 300, not Zak Penn. Second, the Watchmen movie is cast and has been shooting in Vancouver since early this month. Plus, the ending of the Watchmen story does not culminate in the destruction of NYC, just the deaths of three million inhabitants of NYC. Two minutes of Googling would have given you this basic information. Way to go.

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Glenn, thanks for your thoughtful comment. I’ve corrected the name of the director, which was a bonehead mistake, though I’ll quibble with your assessment of 3 million people killed in New York as not representing the destruction of New York, as I wrote it. And they certainly had trouble casting—didn’t get A-listers—and as of three weeks ago, according to publicist, they hadn’t started shooting yet. We’ll check that again here, and if I erred I’ll change it...though the fact remains that they’re quite late, still.

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I would agree that saying it culminates in the destruction of New York is an acceptable description of what happens. It would probably make you think along the lines of some natural disaster or atomic destruction, but it gets the point across.

As for the rest of the errors, most have been addressed in the comments of the article itself now. Though the whole negative tone of the article is sort of a downer when people should be happy that it's FINALLY going ahead.

Of course, the entire time I'm celebrating that it's being made somewhere in the back of my mind I'm just really really really hoping that it doesn't suck. I felt the same way about Sin City and, wow, was I ever surprised with how well that turned out. I can only hope the same happens for Watchmen.
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 Post subject: Re: Wired Article
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Yeah, he's fixed them, but doesn't he look stupid saying, "Hey, It'll never happen" a week after the filming already began? Its just slipshod reporting. In his email he states "as of three weeks ago, shooting hadn't started." Fine. But you posted the article today. Its like posting an article saying the Yankees have no shot of winning the World Series three weeks after they already won. WTF?

I don't know why it bugs me so much. Maybe beacuse he is so condesending in the artilcle and never took the time to see if what he's reporting is even true.

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I agree completely.

It's very much like posts on Ain't it Cool News which consist of "This movie is going to suck." the instant a movie is even announced.
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You guys are all neglecting this little morsel:

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likely writers, director... Zack Snyder's creative team from 300, are moving to J.J. Abrams' Star Trek project

This is pure bullshit.

The screenwriters for the upcoming Star Trek movie are Roberto Orci and Bob Kurtzman. They are also exec-producing the movie and before that, they scripted the Transformers movie that came out a while back. I've talked with Orci himself on another message board. Nice guy.

Anyway, I can say without a shadow of doubt that Orci and Kurtzman have not gone anywhere near Watchmen, nor are they involved with JLA.

And yes, this screw-up is probably the least galling in the article.

Doomsday, if this twit makes himself known on this forum, may I please have the pleasure of banning him first?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:25 pm 
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Sure the guy made some rushed errors and I think his article sucks... but... in fairness, I don't think criticism of it should be as rushed. I mean, it's not like the guy hates Watchmen. It's not like he released a plague into the water supply or something. I personally reserve this level of internet hostility for screenwriters who don't do their homework and actually botch the story, themes, characters, etc. rather than reporters who don't do their homework on a mere article about the story.

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impossible-to-make-into-a-movie iconic 1980s superhero comic book,
No-one has ever said it's impossible. Blithering idiot.

No one? Hurm. Only Alan Moore, Terry Gilliam, and about a thousand fanboys including yours truly. I suppose some of us are blithering idiots (I have my days).

To be more specific, we all realize that they can make a film and call it Watchmen. But it's impossible to make RIGHT. Meaning, the story is a comic book and it cannot be adapted faithfully to cinema. You can make a movie. You can call it Watchmen. But it won't be.

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A story spanning five decades
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Try 6... depending on how you want to refer to the decades. Usually, when we say that something spans 5 decades, we are referring to the decades as the 50s or 60s or whatever and not the actual number of years divided by ten. But, either way, the writer of the article is closer than you.

Hooded Justice first appeared in October of 1938 and Hollis Mason bacame Nite Owl in early 1939, followed by the rest of the Minutemen. And of course, Adrian Veidt was ironically born that year.

So Watchmen spans the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. That's six decades if you want to actually refer to the decades conventionally. If you just want to add up the number of years, from 1938 to 1985, you get 47, which would certainly round up to 5 decades. Or we could get real technical and say that we can go back to 1928 when the Masons moved from Montana and Hollis' dad took his position in Moe Vernon's garage. That may be pushing it. I certainly wouldn't say it spanned centuries or millenia just because Alexander and Rameses are mentioned.

And I would certainly agree that Zack has had casting problems. His solution was to go starless.
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 Post subject: Re: Wired Article
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:53 pm 
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Nice way to play Devil's Advocate, Vynson.

For my part, I'm sure that the author of the article has actually read Watchmen. Half the article was about how Watchmen couldn't/wouldn't/shouldn't be made into a movie. Only someone who knows and loves the book would say that. I mean, come on. We all have differing opinions regarding the screenplay and the cast and Snyder's capability, but even the most optimistic among us have at least a little doubt, right?

It would take total and complete ignorance of the graphic novel to say, beyond a shadow of doubt, that there will be absolutely no problem in translating Watchmen to the big screen.

But the author doesn't say that. Instead, he says that Watchmen cannot possibly be made into a movie, attempting to prove his point with brashness and outright lies. That's what I hate him for.

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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
That's what I hate him for.


The path to the dark side this is... hmmm?

:)

Seriously, did you pick up on that much malice from the article? I thought it was a little mean, but mostly just lazy. Still, much fear I sense in fan community concerning this project. Clouded is the future.
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 Post subject: Re: Wired Article
PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:11 pm 
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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
But the author doesn't say that. Instead, he says that Watchmen cannot possibly be made into a movie, attempting to prove his point with brashness and outright lies. That's what I hate him for.

Exactly. That's what bothers me. I wouldn't nit pick the semantics on some of his statements. Its the fact that he has this over the top, definitely, "so sayeth the Lord" point that the movie will never be made, and if it does it will definately suck. Then his proves his point with 85% B.S. made up stuff.

Vynson has be failrly vocal against why he feels the film won't work, or at least won't be that good, but he supports his opinion with cohesive, well thought points. I can respect that. This writer is free to bash all he wants to, he just shouldn't have the gall to invent facts to help make his point.

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Vynson has been failrly vocal against why he feels the film won't work, or at least won't be that good, but he supports his opinion with cohesive, well thought points. I can respect that.


Thanks.
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 Post subject: Re: Wired Article
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DoomsdayClock wrote:
Vynson has be failrly vocal against why he feels the film won't work, or at least won't be that good, but he supports his opinion with cohesive, well thought points. I can respect that. This writer is free to bash all he wants to, he just shouldn't have the gall to invent facts to help make his point.

Agreed. I disagree with Vynson on many points, but I recognize him as someone who truly loves the Watchmen graphic novel and a valued member of this forum.

And yes, Vynson, maybe "hate" is a rather strong word. But I've seen too many "holier than thou" fans who back up their ultra-purist views with the most outrageous crocks of shit. Not just on Watchmen, mind you, but several other fandoms as well. As much as I love to hear opposing viewpoints -- especially on such a controversial topic -- I have no patience or tolerance for that breed of fan.

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