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 Post subject: The WGA Strike
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:56 pm 
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Anyone have any thoughts on the writer's strike?

I'm one of the Fans for WGA liaisons between the writers and fan groups for various shows, (my own show being Supernatural) so if anyone has any questions, I'll try and answer them if I can.

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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I'd lke it to end. I'm usually on the labor side of any strike, but I honestly don't know enough about the details of the writer's demands to form a real opinion. I know they want royalties from their work that is sold on the Internet, which seems fair, but I don't know that much more about it.

I also don't want the strike to effect the new Trek film, which I believe needs a little writing help from what I've heard. The last time there was a writer's strike and a Trek film was being made we got Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. What a shit bomb.

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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I do believe the writers deserve more money for what they do but the writer's strike is fucking up everyone's TV life. Heroes is on indefinite hiatus, Prison Break is ending the season with 13 episodes as opposed to the traditional 22 and Lost season 4 will only have 8 eps instead of 16 and all because of this damn strike!

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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Damn you, Ben Stiller!

*bye bye Golden Globes*

oh btw this is the forum's 300th thread! zack would be proud! let's party!


but then groan about the WGA strike!

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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The producers need to give in already. They're losing business every day they hold out on giving the writers their due.

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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Yes, if the demands of the writers were unreasonable, how come the Guild endorses the strike, and so many are behind it.
This whole thing mirrors the need for better pay for comic book writers. We all know the story of Moore and DC, right?

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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I'd sympathize with both sides if money was tight, but TV is a huge business with huge profit largely going into executive pockets.

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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AYBGerrardo wrote:
Yes, if the demands of the writers were unreasonable, how come the Guild endorses the strike, and so many are behind it.
This whole thing mirrors the need for better pay for comic book writers. We all know the story of Moore and DC, right?

If Moore needs more money he can just write a few dozen Watchmen sequels. He's got nothin' to complain about. ;) :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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I don't think Moore wants more money - he turned down the Watchmen movie proceeds.

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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Yeah I know - he's a man of integrity, we know that so he isn't gonna cash in on Watchmen
But everyone needs to earn a living somehow, and apparently Moore can't even afford a hair cut

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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AYBGerrardo wrote:
Yeah I know - he's a man of integrity, we know that so he isn't gonna cash in on Watchmen
But everyone needs to earn a living somehow, and apparently Moore can't even afford a hair cut

;)

I don't cut my hair, either. :P

But seriously, he just put out Black Dossier, and he's writing League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Century, both of which have/will net him a lot of money. Not to mention the novel he's writing, Lost Girls (which wasn't great, but still), and I'm not sure what the status is on From Hell as far as if he got financially cheated on that one as well as V for Vendetta and Watchmen.

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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I totally sympathize with the writers. From what I know (as I'm watching TV and go to the cinema) they're doing a great job and don't get that much in return. Well, at least pecuniary, they do get lots of my appreciation - sadly enough my appreciation isn't accepted as currency in too many places around the globe. :|
As much as I'll miss the Globes, I think the boycott is a adequate signal. I could even live with my beloved Oscars taking a break this year...

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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DoomsdayClock wrote:
I'd lke it to end. I'm usually on the labor side of any strike, but I honestly don't know enough about the details of the writer's demands to form a real opinion. I know they want royalties from their work that is sold on the Internet, which seems fair, but I don't know that much more about it.



In stockholders reports the producers say that NEW MEDIA is going to make them BILLIONS. In negotiating with the union they're saying that this "internet" is just so NEW that they don't want to gear up and spend money putting content online, because THE INTERNET MIGHT NOT CATCH ON. They want the writers to settle for a small cut of the percentage now, and see where things go from here. This was exactly the same reasoning the producers used when home video was new. The writers are still working on a percentage of profit worked out when Regan was in the White House. When Pirates:lll was released on DVD, the first days sales were in the millions of units, the writers made less than $6,500 each.

Here's on little item on the AMPTP's list of demands: They want to be able to put episodes of scripted shows on the net, where it can be downloaded on any digital device that can be connected to the net, be it a blackberry, cell phone or your home computer, sell advertising the same as they do on TV, call it PROMOTIONAL, and not have to pay one red cent to the writers. They COULD air an entire season of oh...Heroes...call it promotional, and .....

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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JDsgirlBev wrote:
Here's on little item on the AMPTP's list of demands: They want to be able to put episodes of scripted shows on the net, where it can be downloaded on any digital device that can be connected to the net, be it a blackberry, cell phone or your home computer, sell advertising the same as they do on TV, call it PROMOTIONAL, and not have to pay one red cent to the writers. They COULD air an entire season of oh...Heroes...call it promotional, and .....

They are all unbelievable greedy bastards... except for the one's at WB. They're totally cool. :roll:

Seriously, it's not right that they are exploiting good people to make a quick buck on the Internet.

By the way, did I mention the fantastic line of products over at Entertainment Earth. Plus at such great low prices too!

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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The head of CBS, Les Moonves, is GUARANTEED 30 million a year in salary. If the writers were given every single thing they have asked for, it would cost less than that one guy makes in one year. Le Sigh!

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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When the strike began, I swore that I would not buy a single DVD until the strike ended. That's my show of solidarity to the writers that are getting ripped off on DVD residuals. And I'm not watching any TV shows online, either -- unless it's on TiVo or YouTube.

Did you know that under current studio guidelines, the writers only get two cents for every ten dollars in DVD sales? And for all the online work they do, they get nothing. Nada. Even when the online material is completely new, like the recent webisodes for Battlestar Galactica or The Office, the writers get zip.

Instead, the writers are asking for 2.5% of all revenue from DVD sales and Internet advertising. That's it. Five cents for every twenty dollars made. Table scraps by any definition. Yet the AMPTP refuses to give them that much.

It's greedy, it's unfair and it's cowardly. Yes, I'm upset that "Pushing Daisies" is not on the air. Yes, I'm upset that so many movies aren't pushing forward. But this is a war that the WGA absolutely has to fight and win. And if we have to turn the TV off in the meantime, boo frickin' hoo.

Oh, and if anyone else wants a fresh perspective on the strike, check this out. It's a blog about the strike, set up by the writing staff of the Late Show with David Letterman. They've been maintaining the blog and writing new articles since the strike began and they're continuing even after they were brought back to work with WGA approval. And good for them.

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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Curiosity Inc. wrote:
Did you know that under current studio guidelines, the writers only get two cents for every ten dollars in DVD sales?

i guess this is how the rate came about when studio execs think the writers opinion is worth. ;)

Curiosity Inc. wrote:
When the strike began, I swore that I would not buy a single DVD until the strike ended. That's my show of solidarity to the writers that are getting ripped off on DVD residuals.

Hah! I knew i was doing some justice by not purchasing original DVDs! :roll: (oops)

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 Post subject: Re: The WGA Strike
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http://www.undergroundfilm.com/films/vi ... id=1017942

edit: okay all joking aside this WGA thing has just. turned. nasty.
http://www.totalfilm.com/movie_news/new ... _face_sack
And who did it? WB unfortunately.

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AYBGerrardo wrote:
http://www.undergroundfilm.com/films/viewer.tcl?oftype=lar&wid=1017942

edit: okay all joking aside this WGA thing has just. turned. nasty.
http://www.totalfilm.com/movie_news/new ... _face_sack
And who did it? WB unfortunately.


This is another ploy to make the writers question their position. Here's something you may find interesting. http://unitedhollywood.blogspot.com/2008/01/strike-is-lawyers-game-how-to-play-to.html

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I don't see why studios opt to lose business, cut shows, and fire employees over taking a tiny portion of their proceeds and giving them to people who deserve it. It makes no sense financially or morally.

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