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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:46 am 
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Should Bubastis be cut from the movie?

I mean, it would save a fair bit of VFX money. Her contributions to the story could easily be fudged over and Veidt is already a complex enough character without her. And if the "genetically engineered alien" plot has been dropped as rumored, Bubastis' origin as described in the comics wouldn't exist.

On the other hand, Bubastis serves as a nice personification of Veidt's wealth. Then there's that wonderful moment when Veidt sacrifices her, killing off his last real friend. Besides, she would just look cool on film.

What do you all think? Is Bubastis trivial and expensive enough to warrant being cut, or does she contribute enough to stay in the film?

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Bubastis is in the movie, described as "an exotic lynx" rather than a genetically altered one. Her scenes are pretty close to the book.


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 Post subject: Re: Bubastis
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Vynson of rorschachsjournal, IMDb, and Vivarium at ezboard fame I presume? With the secret script? Love your work - now we're jumping people.


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 Post subject: Re: Bubastis
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Vynson of rorschachsjournal, IMDb, and Vivarium at ezboard fame I presume? With the secret script? Love your work - now we're jumping people.

Yeah, I've been curious about that myself. But I digress.

Back on topic: Should Bubastis be in the movie? Discuss.

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 Post subject: Re: Bubastis
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And if the "genetically engineered alien" plot has been dropped as rumored, Bubastis' origin as described in the comics wouldn't exist.

I know it's an "if" and a big old one at that, but this possibility stands out as being a little more of an issue for me than a big old red pussy. Perhaps someone with a script could help out alien-wise? I know previous attempts which are largely available online if you care to look properly, including one from current scribe Alex Tse, have indeed dispensed with the engineered catastophe of the comic in favor of some other contrived means of mass death dealing involving vaporizing energy rays.

Someone ought to start a thread really.


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 Post subject: Re: Here kitty, kitty...
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Vynson wrote:
Bubastis is in the movie, described as "an exotic lynx" rather than a genetically altered one. Her scenes are pretty close to the book.

Um, so you have the script? Can I get a copy?

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 Post subject: Re: Here kitty, kitty...
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DoomsdayClock wrote:
Vynson wrote:
Bubastis is in the movie, described as "an exotic lynx" rather than a genetically altered one. Her scenes are pretty close to the book.

Um, so you have the script? Can I get a copy?

If you get the script from him, you'll be the first. He's been posting all over the 'Net about this leaked screenplay draft that no one else can seem to find.

I'd rather focus on the topic at hand, rather than some plot point that can't be proven until the movie's release. But that's just me.

ETA: All discussion on leaked screenplay drafts should take place here: (http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17&p=89#p89).

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 Post subject: Re: Bubastis
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Boy, taking this Moderator thing to heart, aren't we?
Pity you haven't got the experience or seemingly the knowledge to back it up really.

Refer back to your own new 'Leaked Script' thread and you'll get the point. You want extra scripts? You got 'em. Really, this is no secret to those who take just a little time to do their Watchmen homework, assuming that they're genuinely interested in the subject matter at hand of course. There's a whole wealth of experience out there going back twenty-one years on this subject over and above "your knowledge". No disrespect, but having read the posts made by some other members here over at other boards such as IMDb, AICN, and rorschachsjournal for quite some time now, I'd be mindful of slinging mud around quite so arrogantly and blowing folks off dismissively.
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 Post subject: Re: Bubastis
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CLINT FLICKER wrote:
Boy, taking this Moderator thing to heart, aren't we?
Pity you haven't got the experience or seemingly the knowledge to back it up really.

Refer back to your own new 'Leaked Script' thread and you'll get the point. You want extra scripts? You got 'em. Really, this is no secret to those who take just a little time to do their Watchmen homework, assuming that they're genuinely interested in the subject matter at hand of course. There's a whole wealth of experience out there going back twenty-one years on this subject over and above "your knowledge". No disrespect, but having read the posts made by some other members here over at other boards such as IMDb, AICN, and rorschachsjournal for quite some time now, I'd be mindful of slinging mud around quite so arrogantly and blowing folks off dismissively.
If we're all going to get on as one big happy family at this new board, this ain't the way to go about it.

Okay, you caught me.

I admit that I am new to this whole thing. Thanks for the pointers.

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I think Bubastis makes a cool pet for our villain. And frankly, it comes off just as simple as that. This is an alternate reality where Jon has brought about all kinds of new science and this "exotic lynx" may or may not fit into all that depending on what Zack and the gang make of the word "exotic."

It doesn't really have to tie to Veidt's genetic research or his squid. It should. But I don't think seeing the villain pet his kitty like a Bond villain or Dr. Evil is going to cast a red herring on the festivities.

As to the script, I understand doubt. This is the internet where anyone can claim anything and it pays to have a salt shaker handy. I take no offense. But I think I've established my Watchmen credentials as it were on numerous sites. Besides, I'm not the only one. Any of you familiar with IMDb will no doubt recall g-3265, broken_finger, and manowar, among others who are quite authoritative on the subject of Watchmen and who all confirmed having read the script in question. Of course, I could be all of them and could have written the script myself. But I'm not and I didn't.

On topic. Yeah, I'd like to see Bubastis in the film. There's one draft (not written by Hamm, Hayter, or Tse) where Bubastis gets more action, courtesy of Mr. Kovacs.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:48 pm 
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Vynson wrote:
I think Bubastis makes a cool pet for our villain. And frankly, it comes off just as simple as that. This is an alternate reality where Jon has brought about all kinds of new science and this "exotic lynx" may or may not fit into all that depending on what Zack and the gang make of the word "exotic."

Ah, tie it into the research brought on by Doc Manhattan. Clever.

And having now read the Tse draft, I think that Bubastis would be a great way for Ozymandias to get some exposition out of the way without resorting to voice-over or talking to himself (he's talking to his cat instead).

Even before that, I was still in favor of including Bubastis.

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Vynson wrote:
I think Bubastis makes a cool pet for our villain. And frankly, it comes off just as simple as that. This is an alternate reality where Jon has brought about all kinds of new science and this "exotic lynx" may or may not fit into all that depending on what Zack and the gang make of the word "exotic."


I agree with you there. I think one of the intriguing things about making Watchmen into a movie is the idea of creating this world that is both the past and the future at the same time. A world where Nixon is president and yet cars no longer rely on fossil fuels and creatures like Bubastis exist in reality. It might not necessarily be important plot-wise, but it adds more depth and makes the world in Watchmen one that is old and familiar, yet strange and new.

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I think one of the intriguing things about making Watchmen into a movie is the idea of creating this world that is both the past and the future at the same time. A world where Nixon is president and yet cars no longer rely on fossil fuels and creatures like Bubastis exist in reality. It might not necessarily be important plot-wise, but it adds more depth and makes the world in Watchmen one that is old and familiar, yet strange and new.


That's an interesting comment. I think Zack has his work cut out for him in recreating the 80s as an alternate reality. My own thought on updating the comic to modern times is that either way is fine with me, but that the update, while presenting its own challenges, is easier.

Watchmen is just as potent and resonating today as it was in 1985, perhaps even moreso. The Cold War may seem over, but it isn't like Russia really went anywhere and Russia was the core of the USSR. And with Putin in the Kremlin, they're becoming as powerful as ever. Add the threat of religious terrorism and it's easy to see that the fear that pervades Watchmen's streetcorner is just as likely today but on even more levels.

The biggest challenge of setting it in the 80s is that most of your audience don't recall the 80s. An alternate reality is difficult. An alternate reality in a period piece is twice as problematic. But it sounds like Zack is up to this part of the challenge. If only he wouldn't resort to that weak montage opening that effectively rips off Incredibles (I know Incredibles "borrowed" from Watchmen first, but it could be done better... aside from a voiceover, a montage is the weakest way to convey exposition in a movie). Oh well, maybe he'll be the guy that does the best montage ever. We'll see.

As for Bubastis, she could just end up being a lynx... depends on how much money Zack wants to throw at having her following Veidt around. But a normal lynx isn't as big as Bubastis in the comic. Maybe they could get a lion or a tiger and paint it orange-red. As for Adrian monologuing to the cat... a little, but some of it is to the group of scientists who rig up the fake lightning. He has them in Karnak instead of on the island. They pretty much take the place of the three Vietnamese butlers as far as conversation, wine, and enjoying the elements.


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