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DD,

Who says "Nothing ever ends".

Jon or Laurie?

Maybe we just need to see the film to understand WHY they decided to use "triggered" instead.

Afterall, as a multi-dimensional medium film has its own set of parameters that don't always jibe with the page. I'm not trying to justify this change or excuse it (I'll make up my mind when I see it) but my take is this:

Adrian actually triggers the squid (book) and Jonergy bombs (movie) at 11:25. That IS 35 minutes before Midnight. When Dan and Rorschach are confronting him, the clock is just about to strike Midnight. So, in truth, the squid/bomb hasn't quite yet happened and he did, in fact, just "trigger" it 35 minutes ago.

Incidentally, the motion comic makes this even more interesting, as it seemed odd to have him say "I did it..." then the clock strikes midnight and THEN the destruction.

Again, just wait and see. It may or may not actually work.

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Have you had to the chance to speak with any critics of any sort that did not read the book beforehand?

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I'm pretty sure he was being facetious.

At least... I hope so.

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...like who?

This, very much so. I'm quite interested to see non-fans' reactions to the film.

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1/30, dear sir, 1/30.

The thing about "I did it 35 minutes ago" is that it is the closest thing to an iconic line that we have. I brought up it's quotability earlier not because none of us would then be able to quote it if it was changed, but because the original line is so quotable. It has a flow to it that "I triggered it" doesn't quite have. And I don't need to wait and see it on film to judge it. I can just say it out loud and know it's not the same. People (The Guard, for example) have tried to say it's the meaning that is what's really important. But that's not entirely true. It's the difference between "I'll make him an offer he can't refuse" and "I'll make him an offer he can't say no to", or "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" and "Frankly my dear, I really don't care". Now I'm not saying "I did it 35 minutes ago" is on par with those classic lines from The God Father or Gone With The Wind. I'm just saying you can keep the meaning and change the wording, but it won't have that cache to it. Or to steal a quote from Stephen King, "it goes somewhere, but it ain't, you know, boss!"

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how was Rorschach Back story and how brutal was it?

Ugh.

I mean, I get being annoyed about stuff being cut, I am too. The Bernies in particular I felt really grounded the story well amongst ordinary people, and helped to give the ending disaster much of its meaning, but either you're being annoyingly melodramatic, or just dumb.

Did the movie feel fast paced or energetic, or did it move at a more leisurely pace?

I have a question. What exactly is a junket? I've never heard the term before. Am I just stupid?

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It would appear that under the scrutiny of all these questions, DoomsdayClock has fled for Mars.

I didn't know he could do that.

No Hollis death scene in the theatrical cut? I'm very disappointed, but at least we have seen it and it'll be on the Director's Cut Blu-ray/DVD.

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Okay.

I wish it was in, but I'm not crying over it's exclusion.


QFT. I just can't think of an argument supporting the changing of what is arguably the book's most iconic line. In fact, I'm more upset over this than the exclusion of Hollis's death scene. That was a necessary change due to time constraints, but this...I mean seriously, it's a well-known fact that Snyder changed many lines from the script to make them more faithful to the GN. I just can't wrap my mind around how he could justify such a change while still making the argument that he tried his hardest to make this adaption as faithful as possible. For every other change he made, there are significant reasons for that change (squid, costumes, no vivarium, etc.) This change was just so outta the blue. I know I might be blowing things out of proportion....but to me, this is a disgrace.


Dictionary.com, my friend.

One thing to keep in mind...the infamous line may well have been as we remember it in the script, but sometimes actors will say the wrong thing, either because they think it sounds better, or they forgot. And it may have been the best performance given for the line, so they decided to use it, since it doesn't really change the meaning.

It might not be, entirely, Snyder's fault.

Just playin' devil's advocate here. =)

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Nope, The Guard confirmed that "triggered" was in the script a while ago. I know, I should have been expecting it, but I kept hoping that the change back to "did it" would eventually be made. It's not entirely Snyder's fault, but I still can't see why he decided to use "triggered" when he was able to change other lines from the script.

The most disappointing change, in my opinion, is the "I triggered it" line. I mean common "triggered"? What the hell? Who cares if the attack goes off at exactly midnight? Let it be at 11:25 like the comic and let Veidt say "I did it" more than once.

"Triggered"

That evil change to the GN's more direct "I did it" shows how far the pschology of the movie's ending has been skewed from the original.

It isn't Adrian, alone, anymore. He isn't himself responsible. He has implicated someone or something else.

Having him say "I did it" would mean that he, alone, is resonsible, and ultimately accountable for the events that unfold.

The film must veer from that idea to avoid the nifty device used by Moore, the author of the GN on which this version of Watchmen is based. I have always felt that the subsequent unravelling of the plot is easier to grasp if the is only one shooter (just like JFK in Dallas).

Having more people and motives muddies the issue considerably.

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