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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:17 am 
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I've always thought he took the mask off because he felt it was over for him and by him I mean Rorschach. He felt helpless that he couldn't do anything to stop it. He gave in and wanted no part of Veidt's "utopia" and felt he'd be better off dead.


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 Post subject: Rorschach's voice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:46 pm 
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Now i know that it changed after the kidnapping case, which is evident by the voice-bubble getting wiggly. But if you notice, this only takes place when his mask is on. Any body else notice this?


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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:49 pm 
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Yup. It's used to show how his voice is "muffled" by the mask. You'll notice he also has the smooth speechbubble at the Crimebusters meeting, because at that point he was still "Kovacs pretending to be Rorschach."

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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:56 pm 
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Sorry, new to the forum. I always felt it was more to represent his mind set when he has the mask on. In Ch. one he has his mouth exposed, but still makes the effect.


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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:59 pm 
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That could be right, too.

And it's okay. Some people can get a little touchy around here. :)

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[NOTE: How about a merge? --"Curiosity Inc."]

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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
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Man it feels good to have fresh perspectives on the book thought. Me and my friends have almost ran out of thing to discuss in the book after the past couple of years.


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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
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TheShoulderOfPallas wrote:
That could be right, too.

And it's okay. Some people can get a little touchy around here. :)

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Name one. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
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No. I'm not going there. 8-)

Mods, can we get a lock? This thread has no point anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
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TheShoulderOfPallas wrote:
No. I'm not going there. 8-)

Mods, can we get a lock?


The other one broke after one shove.

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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
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TheShoulderOfPallas wrote:
No. I'm not going there. 8-)

Mods, can we get a lock?


The other one broke after one shove.

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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
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TheShoulderOfPallas wrote:
Yup. It's used to show how his voice is "muffled" by the mask.

I was always under the impression that was him using his "Rorschach voice." The muffled mask affecting the bubble idea doesn't make sense as he is seen with his mask on with a normal bubble (before the Roche incident) and when he has the mask pulled up he still has the wavy bubble (eating Dan's beans).

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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:04 am 
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Sasso wrote:
TheShoulderOfPallas wrote:
Yup. It's used to show how his voice is "muffled" by the mask.

I was always under the impression that was him using his "Rorschach voice." The muffled mask affecting the bubble idea doesn't make sense as he is seen with his mask on with a normal bubble (before the Roche incident) and when he has the mask pulled up he still has the wavy bubble (eating Dan's beans).

i thought this too, but in the scene when he and Dan are under the river he is in costume, yet has normal bubbles until he puts his mask back on. That was the basis for my question.


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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
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Twag86 wrote:
Sasso wrote:
TheShoulderOfPallas wrote:
Yup. It's used to show how his voice is "muffled" by the mask.

I was always under the impression that was him using his "Rorschach voice." The muffled mask affecting the bubble idea doesn't make sense as he is seen with his mask on with a normal bubble (before the Roche incident) and when he has the mask pulled up he still has the wavy bubble (eating Dan's beans).

i thought this too, but in the scene when he and Dan are under the river he is in costume, yet has normal bubbles until he puts his mask back on. That was the basis for my question.

Perhaps because Rorschach only uses his Rorschach voice when he has his 'face' on? He doesn't like using his normal "Kovacs voice" when he is Rorschach.

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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:32 am 
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Sasso wrote:
Twag86 wrote:
Sasso wrote:
TheShoulderOfPallas wrote:
Yup. It's used to show how his voice is "muffled" by the mask.

I was always under the impression that was him using his "Rorschach voice." The muffled mask affecting the bubble idea doesn't make sense as he is seen with his mask on with a normal bubble (before the Roche incident) and when he has the mask pulled up he still has the wavy bubble (eating Dan's beans).

i thought this too, but in the scene when he and Dan are under the river he is in costume, yet has normal bubbles until he puts his mask back on. That was the basis for my question.

Perhaps because Rorschach only uses his Rorschach voice when he has his 'face' on? He doesn't like using his normal "Kovacs voice" when he is Rorschach.

That seems likely. I wonder how this is handled in the movie.


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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach's voice
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:21 am 
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Although I think Walter and Rorschach are the same person, I think it gets to be pretty complex and vague once you look at "before and after" the Roche case. . . I always thought that the "normal" bubble at the Crimebusters meeting was to show that Walter was still in control of his Rorschach alter ego, so Walter (smooth bubble) could still speak underneath the Rorschach getup. While, afterwards, Walter could only really have any chance of speaking once the Rorschach mask was off (even then, Walter and Rorschach had pretty much been melded together).

Then again, this part of the book has always puzzled me a little . . . even though it's probably pretty simple. Walter/ Rorschach once had "all the buttons on his coat" before, and now he doesn't.


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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:07 am 
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Real Life Rorschach wrote:
In one sentence: Rorschach is everything that is right about this world, but we are afraid to be.

His morals and integrity are flawless. He is the enforcer of what is right in a dastardly corrupt and inhumane world.


To me, that's Rorschach in a nutshell.

Who says that what Rorschach thinks is right really is right? You might even say...

Who Watches the Watchmen?


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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach
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Seriously, I hope RLRohrschach's a troll. The character's a walking psychiatric encyclopedia. Multiple personality disorder, sociopathy, delusions of grandeur...and as much an antihero as Veidt is, though on a smaller scale.

If Rohrschach were a real person he'd be living out his life in an asylum (or whatever politically-correct term is now being used for them), where he could do no real harm to society.


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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:55 pm 
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Hes not a troll. Be afraid liberals, be very afraid. Haha I laugh at your comment (whatever the politically correct term is). Just proves how accepting you are to this pathetic meme that has been going on for the next few years. I bet you cried when Sean Penn gaves his oscar acceptance speech because thats all we need an "elegant" man in the whitehouse. Hell I bet you liberals would trade elegancy for character any day.

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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:16 pm 
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Real Life Rorschach wrote:
Hes not a troll. Be afraid liberals, be very afraid. Haha I laugh at your comment (whatever the politically correct term is). Just proves how accepting you are to this pathetic meme that has been going on for the next few years. I bet you cried when Sean Penn gaves his oscar acceptance speech because thats all we need an "elegant" man in the whitehouse. Hell I bet you liberals would trade elegancy for character any day.


I bet you cried when you read this:
http://politicalinquirer.com/2008/02/21/bushs-new-low-a-19-approval-rating/


To add insult to injury:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/meet_dave/

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 Post subject: Re: Rorschach
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:23 pm 
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Yojimbo wrote:
Seriously, I hope RLRohrschach's a troll. The character's a walking psychiatric encyclopedia. Multiple personality disorder, sociopathy, delusions of grandeur...and as much an antihero as Veidt is, though on a smaller scale.

If Rohrschach were a real person he'd be living out his life in an asylum (or whatever politically-correct term is now being used for them), where he could do no real harm to society.


He's a troll. His contest entry was enough of an obvious joke to confirm it. He's just trying to make people mad. It's physically impossible to be that directly self-contradicting and stupid.


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