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Mohammed Salameh? Boy, that's got to be a joke for the ages. I wonder how many people will instantly say "salami".

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Wtf man, chill out. Why the fear of Socialism? It's not communism you know. Also don't get the hate on abortion. It's your own body, you can do with it what you want. What you 'kill' isnt really life YET.

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"Why should I save a world I no longer have any steak in?"

"Do it for meat."

--Not trying to start an arguement but instead a debate--

So then you advocate prositution and all drugs being legal, removing the drinking age and making euthanasia (sp?) legal?

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@RealSlimCAvery

You really think that's "the Obama agenda"?

I have to agree that women should have the choice on abortion, an aborted child is better than an unwanted one. Also, this has been bought way out of context, legalizing abortion and euthanasia are 2 different things, there are so many reasons why it is not practical to legalize euthanasia. If somebody wanted to, they could forge the documents and kill somebody, no matter how many pieces of paper you sign to be killed, there is always going to be a loop hole.

Obviously Obama isn't going to legalize drugs and prostitution because they cause harm, whether that harm is addiction or physical abuse it is still harming somebody. A lot of prostitutes are human trafficked acorss borders.

Abortion is different. People who don't want the abortion don't have to get ne, but at least it is there for those who do.

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No, I'm saying in regards to the "a woman can do with her body what she wants" comment, I don't say that's Obama's agenda at all

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@RealSlimCAvery

You make some valid points, but also Abortion does harm as there are many many cases of women who then have phsycological issues for a time after, so even on the it's their body it can cause harm

(DEVIL'S ADVOCATE)
And with drugs, who are we to say that drug users shouldn't be allowed to use if it is only their body they affect, then if they harm some one else the law can step in?

(and I mean this as a debate)

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@RealSlimCAvery

The thing is, Socialism won't work in the United States.

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Yeah because capitalism has been working so well for you guys.

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Say, Doc, did I ever tell you I'm the only metal that's liquid at room temperature?

There is no perfect system, capitalism (which I prefer) has it's weaknesses, but so does socialism, niether is perfect but after 200 years of Capitalism it would be so hard to convert now, which I personally hope doesn't happen

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@RealSlimCAvery

What the right-wingers that scream "socialism" don't understand is that any flexible economic system will inevitably have some elements of socialism and capitalism to varying degrees. As far as the "post-abortion syndrome" is concerned, that's a myth distributed by conservatives. The American Psychological Association (APA) found that "severe negative reactions [after abortion] are rare and are in line with those following other normal life stresses."

Some proposed negative psychological effects of abortion have been referred to by pro-life advocates as a separate condition called "post-abortion syndrome." However, the existence of "post-abortion syndrome" is not recognized by any medical or psychological organization, and some physicians and pro-choice advocates have argued that the effort to popularize the idea of a "post-abortion syndrome" is a tactic used by pro-life advocates for political purposes.

Additionally, illegalizing abortion would not accomplish anything. Women would only do it themselves and risk death. There would be "underground" operations by inexperienced men presenting themselves as professionals. Increasing contraception availability and eliminating abstinence-only education is the best route. Pro-life is also a bad term to use, as it's a broad word covering a narrow political viewpoint: it indicates a preference towards life whenever it is threatened. Many conservatives, however, favor the death penalty.

My take on things mentioned in this thread:

In my experience, the majority of people who throw around words like "socialist" and "nationalization" to criticize Obama have no idea what those words actually mean. It's disheartening to see people simply repeating everything they hear on FOX and not doing any research for themselves. It's likely a socialist government would actually benefit them: one of socialism's most important ideas is that society should spread its wealth more evenly throughout the population and not concentrate it in a small segment of that population. It's the very rich who would have the most to lose from socialism, and I think we all agree they don't need that much money anyway. So I think some socialist elements would benefit the country greatly.

As for abortion, I really think this is a no-brainer. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with it. The fact of the matter is, nobody has the right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body. Outlawing abortion would not stop abortions. There would simply be a sharp increase in dangerous "back alley" abortions. And what about children who would have been born with a handicap, or were the product of a rape? People wonder why Obama put money for contraceptives in the stimulus plan? This is why. Families would be able to avoid having unwanted children (thus saving a significant amount of money), but we could also cut back on the number of abortions, since the child would not have been conceived in the first place.

As for drugs, I think the majority of drugs should remain illegal. Cocaine, heroin, meth - these are all extremely dangerous and cause untold suffering in the lives of millions. But there are some drugs, such as marijuana, which are not dangerous and I believe should be legalized. There have been numerous studies on the subject of marijuana, all of which have concluded that its use is not a risk to society. Nobody ever died from smoking a joint (although smoking pot does increase your chance of having an accident of some sort - but, really, "don't be stupid" is the lesson here).

Now onto prostitution. Yes, I believe that should be legalized too. It's the oldest business on the planet and it's not going away, so we might as well regulate it and make sure that prostitutes have access to health care and contraceptives. In Nevada, where prostitution is legal, prostitutes are checked weekly for STDs and monthly for HIV, and condoms are mandatory for oral sex and intercourse. You may not agree with it, but I think we have an obligation to make sure that this industry is at least a safe one.

As for Guantanamo Bay, and giving lawyers to prisoners - Ooooh, lawyers! We wouldn't want to treat them as human beings and give them fair trials, now would we? I think it's shameful the way we've held the prisoners at Guantanamo with such a total disregard of our own laws. If these men are guilty, the evidence will speak for itself at trial.

That's all for now. I might offer my opinions again if more interesting stuff comes up.

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We're all puppets, Laurie. I'm just a puppet who can see the strings.

according to my friend, legislation is attempting to be passed in california to legalize maryjane. one word reason: taxes.

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But these men aren't american's, so they aren't protected by our laws, I'm not saying these men don't have rights, but they don't have constitutional rights if they are foreign combatants caught on foreign soil being held outside of America there is no reason they should be giving protection under the American constitution, the thing that provides the lifestyle they are trying so desperatly to abolish.

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@RealSlimCAvery

Marijuana being illegal is an outdated relic of the drug wars. It's time to grow up a little. Make it legal.

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I don't mind being the smartest man in the world. I just wish it wasn't this one.

Here is a buch on articles from vairuos places (I was going to link to Fox's but figured i'd get poopooed) that talk about how the DHS has declared conservatives as threat's to american soil talking about how the right will soon get violent and recruit soldiers coming back to use their training against the government. These articles come from today's date: April 14th, 1984.

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@RealSlimCAvery

you dont have to be a right wing nut job to hate obama . i personally understand politics is all bull shit. obama is exactly the same as bush and McCain i grentee you if McCain was elected the exact same legislation would be passed. what dose this mean? it means the president is just a figure head and obama is a good one at that what with his cult of personality and such. America needs a presidnt so you think you actually have a say the truth is the state is bullshit give up politics give up your right wing your left wing your indepents and realize that shits gone to far. you don't need a government

Oh, preach that sweet music, my brother.

I agree with essentially everything you said, I cut out a few parts that I don't agree with in the above, but mostly I agree with you like that we don't need a government. "All animals are made equal (some are more equal than others)" I'm afraid this quote might fight our situation in the coutnry soon enough

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@RealSlimCAvery

Who ever would have guessed all it would take is a little anarchy for me and Brooklyn to agree about something?