Whether the real Comedian would have measured up to the mythologised version in Rorschach's mind is a more difficult question. The thing is, they don't really do the same kind of work - the Comedian focuses on government contracts, rather than dealing with the sort of small time criminals that Rorschach makes a point of taking out. The Comedian is more a military mercenary to Rorschach's gumshoe - not a very likely combination.
Yeah. That's why I only see them working together occasionally. When circumstances would allow (like when Blake worked with Dan.)
I would not see them teaming up in the way that Dan and Rorschach teamed up.
Also, the Comedian doesn't seem to be intent on actually "saving" anything - he seems to be more interested in unleashing his violent tendencies in productive ways. Both share a bleak world view, but Rorschach is determined to carry on with a crusade that even he believes is doomed.
True. Their world views do not overlap completely by any means. Another reason why a long-term pair up would never happen. They do have very different methods but any of the Watchmen could theoretically have fought along side each other for a single mission.
Blake and Ror could have easily been paired for the riots as Blake and Dan. It would be that sort of team up, one of circumstance rather than one of choice, we would likely see between the two.
I am very curious to know what it would take to get Blake off Rorschach's pedestal if anything.
I've often wondered if Rorschach saw the Comedian as a kind of father figure. Rorschach likes to think his own father worked for the government, and sees the Comedian as a Patriot, dying in his Country's Service. He may even have literally believed (or wanted to believe) that the Comedian was his father - the Comedian was just about old enough. In any case, the Comedian gives Rorschach something to aspire to - something he sorely lacks.
Oh, I like that theory. Blake could well be Rorschach's claytons dad. He fits the description nicely. The possibility of Blake being his real dad has been on my thoughts lately but I really don't think he is. If nothing else I don't think Mrs Kovacs is Eddie's type of gal (even if he was paying).
Plus, story wise, I think that would kinda suck.
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Whether the real Comedian would have measured up to the mythologised version in Rorschach's mind is a more difficult question. The thing is, they don't really do the same kind of work - the Comedian focuses on government contracts, rather than dealing with the sort of small time criminals that Rorschach makes a point of taking out. The Comedian is more a military mercenary to Rorschach's gumshoe - not a very likely combination. Also, the Comedian doesn't seem to be intent on actually "saving" anything - he seems to be more interested in unleashing his violent tendencies in productive ways. Both share a bleak world view, but Rorschach is determined to carry on with a crusade that even he believes is doomed.
It is also notable mark of respect? regard? something like it? (not romantic interest fangirls!) that Rorschach still had the rose from Blake's grave in his pocket when he was arrested two weeks later.
Well, I think the fact that he took it at all is significant. Unless we've underestimated Rorshcach's taste as a natty dresser!
Oh come on, you know he just wants to go to all the smart parties.
"Hurm. Wanna dance?"
The strange thing is that when Rorschach says "So, you support the allegations made in Hollis Mason's book?", it's almost as if he's weighing up the evidence in his mind - filing it away for later use. Either way, Blake's status as a patriot seems to excuse him in Rorschach's eyes.
I think he didn't have much respect for Hollis either. He would see him as a traitor for writing that book and so would not believe anything he said. And, on balance, traitor to their cause is way worse than an attempted rapist to Rorschach.
Also, Rorschach felt that his mother's murder was "good" - he didn't seem to see anything wrong with excusing that. To him, prostitutes are a class who don't seem to deserve his protection, and I suspect he would have placed Sally Jupiter into that class.
See, I think Rorschach was glad to see his mother go not because she was a prostitute but because she was cruel to him. He was willing to overlook the land ladies activities when he saw she was protecting her children from that life.
Has his mother been a prostitute and kind he would not have seen her death as good.
Not sure how would feel about Sally in that regard. Calling her a prostitute is a but harsh considering she wasn't one but maybe he sees her as a sell out of some sort. (is guarded. I'm twitching here. Insanely protective of Sally. You may have found my blind spot).
Interesting that, during the rape, Blake only turns nasty after Sally scratches him. I'm not sure he set out with the intention of raping her if she didn't agree - he just couldn't envisage that she wouldn't. Just as he couldn't see, years later, why she'd harbour a grudge. Blake's almost like a brutalized soldier - well suited to the theatre of war but struggling to fit in on civvy street.
He was also prepared to ignore the Vietnamese lady until she scratched his face too.
What, some thing in Eddie's past makes him go nuts at the face scratch?
I don't think he's the vane sort myself - more man's man than pretty boy.
I do think he was going to rape Sally before the scratch, though there may have been a small chance at that stage she could have stopped him, but I think he wasn't going to hit her or be as rough. After the scratch he just snapped. Same as in Vietnam.
Also, I find it fascinating that the two characters who seem to completely lack any "sentimentality" (as Dan says about Rorschach, "You were never that sentimental") turn out to be the ones who end up most concerned about the human relationships in their lives.
So do I. And, oddly, these are the two characters who are generally seen as the least capable of attachment to others and, especially in Blake's case, fellings at all.
He may have been more judgmental against the Minutemen for pulling a "Kitty Gevonse's neighbours" bit on Sally's dilemma.
An interesting idea though he would be aware HJ stepped in as no one did for Kitty.
Not that HJ wasn't a complete jerk to Sally but I doubt Rorschach would know that.
He does say it in direct response to Sally's specific accusation of the rape but maybe he meant more.
I'm not sure how much Rorschach feels he knows about the Minutemen actually.
He may have real Hollis' book but he clearly doesn't trust the mans word so he may well have been left to make up his own mind about these people based on very little.
Blake he turned into a hero. I wonder what he really made of the others?