Judging from comments in interviews prior to the release of the film, the logic went: "Laurie is unpopular with the fans. What can we do to make her popular?" And their answer seems to be: tone her personality down.
I think the word missing from that sentence is "male" if the end result is anything to go by. I find it kind of offensive that "near-naked deer in headlights" was how they chose to present Laurie to try and improve her popularity.
Great for the "I like my womens quiet, busty and mildly confused" crowd I guess.
But what's wrong with imperfect, bold go-getter who has hang-ups like everyone else in the film but won't let them paralise her?
Why not give her some depth?
Surely it must be impossible to really like a character without it, especially one surrounded by people who do.
I like her boldness in the GN. At least she has a real fire to her.
The trouble is, this stems from the "Laurie is just a whiney bitch" reasoning, which I think is a reading that fails to appreciate the quality of Alan Moore's writing.
Same here, and Laurie isn't even one of my favourite characters but I find her much more than a whiny bitch in the book.
I accept that some changes had to be made, and reducing Laurie to "generic Superheroine" as a counterpart to Dan's "generic Superhero" is OK. Better than just retaining her negative qualities, if they didn't have time to get all the subtleties in.
But generic super heroins make me sad! At least all of those negative qualities would belong to Laurie.
Just like writing the Comedian off as a monster, or Hatty as unemotional or Sally as a bad mother (I'll give you the credit for opening my eyes on that one!).
But Sally wasn't bad she just tried to hard and was motivated by fear. In practice she was pushy and controlling but she had the best intentions and she does love Laurie. The worst actions with the best intentions, how very Watchmen.
One could also argue that Laurie is selfless in sacrificing her life to please her mother
I think it was more she started as a child and did what was expected like a good girl and by the time she was old enough to decide for herself she was used to it (she does seem to be slow moving on from things that aren't doing it for her ie Hatty. She seems to be one to get into a pattern and stay there until something big prompts her) or she was enjoying it and didn't want to stop (or a combination of the two).
The snag I had on first viewing, was that it's never really explained in the movie that Rorschach used to be more normal.
That's a good point. It's easy to fill in the blanks when you have read the book but some things need to be made more clear and this should have been.
In the GN, the Blaire Roche case really shows the psychological risk to Superheroes: it's one thing to go up against baddies in outfits, but going up against real monsters can send one over the edge.
I love that, the psychological risk to superheroes. And don't we have the overflow of that all over Watchmen!
I do think the film was successful at showing this to an extent but, as I had read the book, I already knew the import of that scene. I don't know what a first-timer would make of it but I think it was glossed over a bit and it may have been missed that Rorschach was not just talking about his first big case.
I still can't work out if it was less exploitative than the situation it nominally tried to criticise.
Even a well meaning film can fall into the trap. Take Shallow Hal. It tried to show that inner beauty is the true beauty but that point was illustrated by depicting this beauty as a skinny, pretty blonde, basically showing it as the physical beauty it was trying to say didn't matter.
I think a similar thing may be happening here. To challenge a stereotype you have to do more than perpetuate it. But I think there really wasn't time to do that either so all you get is a girl in an exploitative outfit.
Shrek shows how to do it right.
What? Have you heard the Alexandra Burke version of the song?
With a bit of luck, she's never made it to Australia. With a bit more luck, she never will.
Hey, why do you think Australia is so far from the rest of the world? So she wouldn't find us!... Don't tell her where he are OK?
See, I'm glad they showed the sex scene, just because - well, implied sex wouldn't have worked. It would have felt like we'd been let off the hook, and we could all pretend it didn't happen. Whether it needed to be as slo-mo and drawn out as it was, is another question.
Agreed and yeah, didn't need the slo-mo, though it matched the pace of the song better!
Except the Prison Officer who Laurie merrily punches in the face.
Yeah, except him. Even though he was technically the good guy you are right, they (Dan) feels he owes more to Rorschach than to society (though he seems to think he needs to rescue Rorschach for the good of society. He can tell something big is coming, someone wants the masks down and he would know what that means. He saws to Laurie he needs the information that Rorschach has to find out what's going on.
These are people who are quite happy to kill (something they didn't do in the GN) and you know what? If they can take down an armed gang with their bare hands, there's not much anyone can do to stop them. As long as they're guided by basic morals, we're reasonably safe - but Adrian stands as a fine example of what happens when someone has that much power, even when they mean well.
True. The reason why superheroes are "OK" is because, even though they can snap your head off, they won't unless you bally well deserve it.
A superhero that goes rogue is a very scary thing. I wouldn't say Dan and Laurie are rogue but I don't think they always have the purest of motivations.
Adrian is bloody scary because he does
have the purest of motivations. He believes he has right on his side, that he is a saviour, and a guy like that isn't going to be deterred.
Because they only kill in the film I'm not going to take that as cannon though.
Adrian shows why the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I'm not sure this is quite true. Laurie makes a big play of being down on being a superhero, but if she ever admitted she enjoyed it, and it gave her life meaning, and she's glad her mother made her do it, then all the credit would go to Sally
I was referring to her motivation to start but I agree with you that her motivation to continue came from her, despite her denial. Good point about Sally getting the credit. I think it was to her mother Laurie couldn't admit she was glad she was a mask. She needed to be angry at her mum. It was a bit sad for Sally actually.
Laurie may have been frustrated at being in her mum's shadow more than angry about being a mask at all.
Plus, according to my handy "Watchmen Film Companion", the shifting accent was deliberate, to try and show that the public Veidt is not the same as the private Veidt. For myself, I never noticed that his accent had changed
Oh, I know he's meant to shift accents, there was just a ringer in there.
I did like Goode as Veidt, though, but from the start. I didn't like his as Ozymandias as much. I cannot imaging who may play book Veidt either but Goode did OK.
One other thing I thought the movie did well: the cut at the end from "Nothing ever ends" to the Twin Towers.
That made me sad but that's ok because I think it was supposed to. I worked for me too.
"Jesus Christ, Henry!" has become one of my favourite phrases. That alone made Nixon worthwhile.
Ah, dear Nixon, bless him. So cranky.
Stephen McHattie as Nite Owl - best performance in the movie, after Jackie Earle Hayley.
I may put someone else in from of him but oh yes, he was wonderful. So warm and genuine.
Also loved the guy playing Wally Weaver
Ya, he was perfectly cast and rather endearing.
Goggle. Part of me wants to know, but most of me does not.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7LdBVzlW5s
Please don't hate me.
The problem with the sex scene is that it looked like a sex scene (on the Owl ship). It didn't look like two people having sex; it looked like two people acting like they were having sex.
I'm not sure this isn't because it's meant to be very stylised though.
This scene is basically taking the piss out of itself and is meant to be over the top with this out-of-context song and kinky boots.
I don't think it's meant to be romantic as much as it's meant to illustrate the fact that the superhero gig gets Laurie and Dan hot.